Comments on: On Illegal Workers in Jordan http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/ A Jordanian Blog Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:28:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: samaritan http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/#comment-3422 samaritan Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:16:47 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/#comment-3422 Hamzeh, Interesting that a source as left-wing as NPR would have such a level-headed analysis of illegal immigration. Another, more extensive treatment with similar conclusions, but from the opposite end of the political spectrum, would be: http://www.rightwingnews.com/archives/week_2006_03_26.PHP#005455 I find it interesting you don't seem to trounce on those who are skeptical of illegal immigration as 'racists' Hamzeh. Maybe you're not the "Rocky Mountain Taliban" like I've always thought. ;) Hamzeh,

Interesting that a source as left-wing as NPR would have such a level-headed analysis of illegal immigration.

Another, more extensive treatment with similar conclusions, but from the opposite end of the political spectrum, would be:

http://www.rightwingnews.com/archives/week_2006_03_26.PHP#005455

I find it interesting you don’t seem to trounce on those who are skeptical of illegal immigration as ‘racists’ Hamzeh. Maybe you’re not the “Rocky Mountain Taliban” like I’ve always thought. ;)

]]> By: Nas http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/#comment-3421 Nas Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:10:13 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/#comment-3421 Hamzeh, some similarities, not enough to properly compare the economic impact of illegal immigrants in Jordan. One major difference is that the U.S. has many middle class jobs which we don't. Most of our population is made up of workers whose skills are more inclined to operate in the primary sector and the secondary sector of the economy. Plenty of laborors, farmers, etc. They are now competing with foreign workers for jobs they already don't get paid much for anyway. If it wasn't for the army I don't know how so many people can survive. Think of all the places you've been to where there are Egyptian workers and then mentally replace them with a Jordanian. Now adjust for unemployment. Hamzeh, some similarities, not enough to properly compare the economic impact of illegal immigrants in Jordan. One major difference is that the U.S. has many middle class jobs which we don’t. Most of our population is made up of workers whose skills are more inclined to operate in the primary sector and the secondary sector of the economy. Plenty of laborors, farmers, etc. They are now competing with foreign workers for jobs they already don’t get paid much for anyway.

If it wasn’t for the army I don’t know how so many people can survive.

Think of all the places you’ve been to where there are Egyptian workers and then mentally replace them with a Jordanian. Now adjust for unemployment.

]]> By: Hamzeh N. http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/#comment-3420 Hamzeh N. Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:05:03 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/#comment-3420 Nas, the impact from illegal workers isn't as clear as you'd think. Read the following Q&A about illegal immigrants in the US and see how they argue that illegal immigrants don't necessarily have any significant impact on unemployment rates. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5312900 Granted the situations of Jordan and the US are not necessarily the same, there are still many similarities. Nas, the impact from illegal workers isn’t as clear as you’d think. Read the following Q&A about illegal immigrants in the US and see how they argue that illegal immigrants don’t necessarily have any significant impact on unemployment rates.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5312900

Granted the situations of Jordan and the US are not necessarily the same, there are still many similarities.

]]> By: OmAr http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/#comment-3148 OmAr Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:59:29 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/#comment-3148 Man, you do sound like a Republican :) :) but no, I agree with not bringing anymore workers from outside, though, it's not a good idea of shipping those who are already here back to their homes for many reasons starting form the damages it will cause to the Jordanian employers. I believe that the main problem that those workers are causing to us as Jordanians is the disgraceful salaries they accept, and hence, decreasing the average salaries for most employees. The "shame culture" as they used to call it in Jordan has ended since the late 90's, though, the reason Jordanians don't accept many jobs now is that they can't afford a semi-decent life with the salaries offered! For Egyptions and Asians, JD100 is a fat salary, plus, they accept awful life environments(I've seen many with my own eyes) that even the poor in Jordan don't accept. Man, you do sound like a Republican :) :) but no, I agree with not bringing anymore workers from outside, though, it’s not a good idea of shipping those who are already here back to their homes for many reasons starting form the damages it will cause to the Jordanian employers.

I believe that the main problem that those workers are causing to us as Jordanians is the disgraceful salaries they accept, and hence, decreasing the average salaries for most employees. The “shame culture” as they used to call it in Jordan has ended since the late 90’s, though, the reason Jordanians don’t accept many jobs now is that they can’t afford a semi-decent life with the salaries offered! For Egyptions and Asians, JD100 is a fat salary, plus, they accept awful life environments(I’ve seen many with my own eyes) that even the poor in Jordan don’t accept.

]]> By: salam http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/#comment-3141 salam Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:25:52 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2006/03/28/on-illegal-workers-in-jordan/#comment-3141 The agents who send them make so much money off these poor workers,you can't imagine how devastating it is for them when they are sent back home,they usually give up all their life savings to get a chance to work abroad.My husband has a travel agency,and he once received a request from a respectable office in dubai for a group of around sixty indians to come for a touristic trip to both Jordan and Israel,he asked for their official papers and they claimed to be residents in dubai with proper jobs like doctors and engineers,they also sent him their residency papers,and they reserved the usual popular tours,dead sea,petra,aqaba then they planned to go to israel.Upon ariving to the airport they did not look like professionals and something felt fishy.Airport officials would not let them out of the airport,turns out their papers were fake and they were all unskilled labor trying to find work in israel,the poor people begged to be let out of the airport,and my husband and another employee kept receiving phone calls from india offering them bribes to let them enter the country and later israel.And we are talking big money,big enough to cover the huge fines that would have been imposed on him for letting in restricted nationalities with fake papers,so you can imagine how much money they squeeze out of these poor miserable people.Life is not fair,is it? The agents who send them make so much money off these poor workers,you can’t imagine how devastating it is for them when they are sent back home,they usually give up all their life savings to get a chance to work abroad.My husband has a travel agency,and he once received a request from a respectable office in dubai for a group of around sixty indians to come for a touristic trip to both Jordan and Israel,he asked for their official papers and they claimed to be residents in dubai with proper jobs like doctors and engineers,they also sent him their residency papers,and they reserved the usual popular tours,dead sea,petra,aqaba then they planned to go to israel.Upon ariving to the airport they did not look like professionals and something felt fishy.Airport officials would not let them out of the airport,turns out their papers were fake and they were all unskilled labor trying to find work in israel,the poor people begged to be let out of the airport,and my husband and another employee kept receiving phone calls from india offering them bribes to let them enter the country and later israel.And we are talking big money,big enough to cover the huge fines that would have been imposed on him for letting in restricted nationalities with fake papers,so you can imagine how much money they squeeze out of these poor miserable people.Life is not fair,is it?

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