Comments on: Jordanian Editors Will Go To Jail Over Cartoons http://www.black-iris.com/2006/05/30/jordanian-editors-will-go-to-jail-over-cartoons/ A Jordanian Blog Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:56:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nas http://www.black-iris.com/2006/05/30/jordanian-editors-will-go-to-jail-over-cartoons/#comment-5626 Nas Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:52:44 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/?p=797#comment-5626 <b>Abu Tariq,</b> while I recognise the government's committment to this matter it has yet to be reflected and yet to be implemented, so suffice to say these two journalists have just slipped through the cracks of a now historical system. And thankfully our system allows for an appeal but why should they have to appeal in the first place, why should their sentence even have to be jail in the first place? They printed cartoons (under a specific context mind you) which were indeed offensive to many, yet of the options available to judge it was jail time that was dealt. These are the essential questions in play, it's not about what the "could be" and the "should be"...it's about what is. Thank you for your comment. Abu Tariq, while I recognise the government’s committment to this matter it has yet to be reflected and yet to be implemented, so suffice to say these two journalists have just slipped through the cracks of a now historical system. And thankfully our system allows for an appeal but why should they have to appeal in the first place, why should their sentence even have to be jail in the first place? They printed cartoons (under a specific context mind you) which were indeed offensive to many, yet of the options available to judge it was jail time that was dealt.

These are the essential questions in play, it’s not about what the “could be” and the “should be”…it’s about what is. Thank you for your comment.

]]> By: Abu Tariq http://www.black-iris.com/2006/05/30/jordanian-editors-will-go-to-jail-over-cartoons/#comment-5623 Abu Tariq Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:09:51 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/?p=797#comment-5623 Hello all.. I appreciate what everyone is saying..but its important to have one's facts straight. Jail is not the first resort and the judiciary is quite independent. In matters related to press and publications..no journalist should be jailed...The government is committed to this and this will be translated into a clear clause in the new Press and Publications law..As for the sentence passed on the two editors two days ago..it is not a new case but a continuation of the old case in the courts against them..AND the two have the right to appeal and I think they will, and thankfully our legal system allows for that. They did not however go to jail, and hopefully their appeal will be heard and reviewed favorably. Hello all..

I appreciate what everyone is saying..but its important to have one’s facts straight. Jail is not the first resort and the judiciary is quite independent. In matters related to press and publications..no journalist should be jailed…The government is committed to this and this will be translated into a clear clause in the new Press and Publications law..As for the sentence passed on the two editors two days ago..it is not a new case but a continuation of the old case in the courts against them..AND the two have the right to appeal and I think they will, and thankfully our legal system allows for that. They did not however go to jail, and hopefully their appeal will be heard and reviewed favorably.

]]> By: Nas http://www.black-iris.com/2006/05/30/jordanian-editors-will-go-to-jail-over-cartoons/#comment-5555 Nas Wed, 31 May 2006 05:30:32 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/?p=797#comment-5555 <b>Lina,</b> oh I agree with you on the fines. What I meant to say in my post is that in this particular case, given the particular circumstances of judicial system and laws, why didn't they just fine them instead of putting them in jail? It's a matter of a proportional response (give the current laws) in my idealist mindset, everything else you said is what I'm imagining. however Lina, there are always laws to protect groups of people who feel that the press has been misused to target and offend them on basis of religion or race or slander. and I feel those should be in effect to some extent. <b>bakkouz,</b> you're a strange one bro :-D it's the "within his right" part which I have trouble with. and don't make the mistake of underestimating the extent of which the judiciary is effected by the powers-that-be, whoever they may be. Lina, oh I agree with you on the fines. What I meant to say in my post is that in this particular case, given the particular circumstances of judicial system and laws, why didn’t they just fine them instead of putting them in jail? It’s a matter of a proportional response (give the current laws)

in my idealist mindset, everything else you said is what I’m imagining.

however Lina, there are always laws to protect groups of people who feel that the press has been misused to target and offend them on basis of religion or race or slander. and I feel those should be in effect to some extent.

bakkouz, you’re a strange one bro :-D

it’s the “within his right” part which I have trouble with. and don’t make the mistake of underestimating the extent of which the judiciary is effected by the powers-that-be, whoever they may be.

]]> By: Lina http://www.black-iris.com/2006/05/30/jordanian-editors-will-go-to-jail-over-cartoons/#comment-5554 Lina Wed, 31 May 2006 05:14:31 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/?p=797#comment-5554 Naseem, I don't think a fine is a fair thing either. Like the latest press law where everyone was demanding the replacement of the jail sentence for journalists with a higher fine, like do you think a journalist or editor would think "Oh as long as I won't be thrown in jail, I'll take my chances, speak up, and risk having to pay God knows how many thousands JDs.. because, you know, I have the money, and I'm willing to pay it for freedom of press!!" I don't think so! I don't think it's the fault of the judiciary system either.. I think the law is flawed, and full of vagueness that allows judges and people to give it a vast range of interpretations. I don't think Jihad Al Momani deserves to be punished in any way for what he wrote or published!! Naseem, I don’t think a fine is a fair thing either. Like the latest press law where everyone was demanding the replacement of the jail sentence for journalists with a higher fine, like do you think a journalist or editor would think “Oh as long as I won’t be thrown in jail, I’ll take my chances, speak up, and risk having to pay God knows how many thousands JDs.. because, you know, I have the money, and I’m willing to pay it for freedom of press!!”

I don’t think so!

I don’t think it’s the fault of the judiciary system either.. I think the law is flawed, and full of vagueness that allows judges and people to give it a vast range of interpretations.

I don’t think Jihad Al Momani deserves to be punished in any way for what he wrote or published!!

]]> By: bakkouz http://www.black-iris.com/2006/05/30/jordanian-editors-will-go-to-jail-over-cartoons/#comment-5553 bakkouz Wed, 31 May 2006 04:26:16 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/?p=797#comment-5553 Also aparently an emote freak! Also aparently an emote freak!

]]> By: bakkouz http://www.black-iris.com/2006/05/30/jordanian-editors-will-go-to-jail-over-cartoons/#comment-5552 bakkouz Wed, 31 May 2006 04:24:58 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/?p=797#comment-5552 ops, dropped the word "system" at the begining there, my bad :) also -ed in "the judged". Sorry, i think i'm Obsessive compulsive :P ops, dropped the word “system” at the begining there, my bad :) also -ed in “the judged”.
Sorry, i think i’m Obsessive compulsive :P

]]> By: bakkouz http://www.black-iris.com/2006/05/30/jordanian-editors-will-go-to-jail-over-cartoons/#comment-5551 bakkouz Wed, 31 May 2006 04:23:12 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/?p=797#comment-5551 I have faith in our judicial, and i beleive its free and independent and not influenced as is the case in surrounding cuontries, So i think the judged passed a fair sentence, his interpretation of the law may be a bit extreme but he acted well within it, which is is right :) I have faith in our judicial, and i beleive its free and independent and not influenced as is the case in surrounding cuontries, So i think the judged passed a fair sentence, his interpretation of the law may be a bit extreme but he acted well within it, which is is right :)

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