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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2006/07/31/jordan-treats-1200-lebanese-at-field-hospital/#comment-8119</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iman, if Jordan is able to use what relationships it has to push for a cease fire then it will have to use the american and israeli ambassadors. If however both parties refuse any willingness to deal then diplomacy has failed. From what I see Jordan is attempting to do that but the response from the other side seems to be absent. What is true today is not necessarily true 1 week ago, especially in a war; qana has changed a lot;. diplomacy is the cold wars&#039; red phone in our case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iman, if Jordan is able to use what relationships it has to push for a cease fire then it will have to use the american and israeli ambassadors. If however both parties refuse any willingness to deal then diplomacy has failed. From what I see Jordan is attempting to do that but the response from the other side seems to be absent. What is true today is not necessarily true 1 week ago, especially in a war; qana has changed a lot;. diplomacy is the cold wars&#8217; red phone in our case.</p>
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		<title>By: Iman</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2006/07/31/jordan-treats-1200-lebanese-at-field-hospital/#comment-8109</link>
		<dc:creator>Iman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ok? good for you then? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
LOL

Yeah, I know...whenever it was mentioned &#039;diplomacy&#039; kept creeping through 


&lt;blockquote&gt;I donâ??t understand why Iâ??m not okay. &lt;/blockquote&gt;W
ell...a side of you I never read...that&#039;s why I was checking!I guess the diplomacy you tend to speak of is taking a back seat now!


P.S. and of course...you&#039;re always entitled to your opinion...and in fact, it&#039;s very much appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ok? good for you then? </p></blockquote>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>Yeah, I know&#8230;whenever it was mentioned &#8216;diplomacy&#8217; kept creeping through </p>
<blockquote><p>I donâ??t understand why Iâ??m not okay. </p></blockquote>
<p>W<br />
ell&#8230;a side of you I never read&#8230;that&#8217;s why I was checking!I guess the diplomacy you tend to speak of is taking a back seat now!</p>
<p>P.S. and of course&#8230;you&#8217;re always entitled to your opinion&#8230;and in fact, it&#8217;s very much appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2006/07/31/jordan-treats-1200-lebanese-at-field-hospital/#comment-8103</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im not ridiculing your arguement at all. secondly, petra remains a valid news source when it comes to news from jordan. granted it is obviously not the most objective nevertheless it has facts that other sources dont have such as how many people were treated thusfar; hence the title of this post. although if you want to say they are liars and that mohammad and his kid dont exist or that 1200 people were not treated, then what evidence they provide for that is no greater than what evidence laila bassam offered in her article that all the lebanese have turned a cold shoulder, based on the account of a parking lot attendent from across the street. the point i was trying to make in this post (which i mentioned in clear cut words) was that perhaps her version of events were a bit early in their judgement. who you choose to believe more doesnt negate this premise.

it comes down to what is more true that 1200 people have been treated or that the lebanese people have turned a cold shoulder? who is exaggerating? maybe both, but should we trust an account taken so soon after the hospital sets up and people become aware of it?

what does a rosey image of jordan entail; that nothing is absolutely wrong and everything is great? if thats the definition then youve misjudged my blog or you&#039;re just not reading at all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im not ridiculing your arguement at all. secondly, petra remains a valid news source when it comes to news from jordan. granted it is obviously not the most objective nevertheless it has facts that other sources dont have such as how many people were treated thusfar; hence the title of this post. although if you want to say they are liars and that mohammad and his kid dont exist or that 1200 people were not treated, then what evidence they provide for that is no greater than what evidence laila bassam offered in her article that all the lebanese have turned a cold shoulder, based on the account of a parking lot attendent from across the street. the point i was trying to make in this post (which i mentioned in clear cut words) was that perhaps her version of events were a bit early in their judgement. who you choose to believe more doesnt negate this premise.</p>
<p>it comes down to what is more true that 1200 people have been treated or that the lebanese people have turned a cold shoulder? who is exaggerating? maybe both, but should we trust an account taken so soon after the hospital sets up and people become aware of it?</p>
<p>what does a rosey image of jordan entail; that nothing is absolutely wrong and everything is great? if thats the definition then youve misjudged my blog or you&#8217;re just not reading at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Petra Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2006/07/31/jordan-treats-1200-lebanese-at-field-hospital/#comment-8102</link>
		<dc:creator>Petra Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nas,

&quot;...therefore the Bassam article is more objective&quot;

lol, this is a double fallacy first to distort someone else&#039;s arguement, then move on to ridicule it. 

What I said is that I have more reason to believe Reuters than Petra News (the BBC article proves nothing apart from a &#039;stream&#039;, whatever that is supposed to mean, and as such, it proves nothing apart from the fact that Mohamad whoever came for food poisoning for his child).

The BBC argument is really secondary - the primary being that Petra is not a source to quote, especially for a title. 

But I tend to this you have a very rosy image of Jordan, maybe slightly romanticized. Not that there is anything wrong, but it does impede objectivity towards the matter at hand sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nas,</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;therefore the Bassam article is more objective&#8221;</p>
<p>lol, this is a double fallacy first to distort someone else&#8217;s arguement, then move on to ridicule it. </p>
<p>What I said is that I have more reason to believe Reuters than Petra News (the BBC article proves nothing apart from a &#8216;stream&#8217;, whatever that is supposed to mean, and as such, it proves nothing apart from the fact that Mohamad whoever came for food poisoning for his child).</p>
<p>The BBC argument is really secondary &#8211; the primary being that Petra is not a source to quote, especially for a title. </p>
<p>But I tend to this you have a very rosy image of Jordan, maybe slightly romanticized. Not that there is anything wrong, but it does impede objectivity towards the matter at hand sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2006/07/31/jordan-treats-1200-lebanese-at-field-hospital/#comment-8100</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What if the editorial policy is to be friendly to Jordan? The contradiction falls then.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

if that&#039;s the policy then this is a first for leyene and its not my perception which is intervening with my ability to distinguish between the objectivity or subjectivity of an article.

otherwise your arguement boils down to that the BBC is bias because it likes Jordan and therefore the Bassam article is more objective :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What if the editorial policy is to be friendly to Jordan? The contradiction falls then.</p></blockquote>
<p>if that&#8217;s the policy then this is a first for leyene and its not my perception which is intervening with my ability to distinguish between the objectivity or subjectivity of an article.</p>
<p>otherwise your arguement boils down to that the BBC is bias because it likes Jordan and therefore the Bassam article is more objective <img src='http://www.black-iris.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Petra Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2006/07/31/jordan-treats-1200-lebanese-at-field-hospital/#comment-8099</link>
		<dc:creator>Petra Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nas,

&quot;a bit of a contradiction to say that jordan planted him there for good coverage and then say that heâ??s in line with the BBC&quot;

What if the editorial policy is to be friendly to Jordan? The contradiction falls then.

I actually think the BBC gives Jordan positive coverage compared to other countries in Jordan&#039;s &#039;class&#039; but not friendly to the UK (like Syria). You probably dont see this coverage as positive enough because you have a rosy image of Jordan, which the BBC fails to live up to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nas,</p>
<p>&#8220;a bit of a contradiction to say that jordan planted him there for good coverage and then say that heâ??s in line with the BBC&#8221;</p>
<p>What if the editorial policy is to be friendly to Jordan? The contradiction falls then.</p>
<p>I actually think the BBC gives Jordan positive coverage compared to other countries in Jordan&#8217;s &#8216;class&#8217; but not friendly to the UK (like Syria). You probably dont see this coverage as positive enough because you have a rosy image of Jordan, which the BBC fails to live up to.</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2006/07/31/jordan-treats-1200-lebanese-at-field-hospital/#comment-8097</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iman

&lt;blockquote&gt;Come on now!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

it&#039;s my opinion. last time i checked im entitled to one.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyway, I also wrote about that article by Laila Bassem..and Hamzeh mentioned the article you just posted â?¦ which is good and as mentioned extremely appreciated by the lebaneseâ?¦ but at the same time I cannot argue against the reasons of those who refused the aid. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

ok

&lt;blockquote&gt;Naseem?! are you okay?! :P

This is what some of us have been saying for ages! &lt;/blockquote&gt;

ok? good for you then? I don&#039;t understand why I&#039;m not okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iman</p>
<blockquote><p>Come on now!</p></blockquote>
<p>it&#8217;s my opinion. last time i checked im entitled to one.</p>
<blockquote><p>Anyway, I also wrote about that article by Laila Bassem..and Hamzeh mentioned the article you just posted â?¦ which is good and as mentioned extremely appreciated by the lebaneseâ?¦ but at the same time I cannot argue against the reasons of those who refused the aid. </p></blockquote>
<p>ok</p>
<blockquote><p>Naseem?! are you okay?! <img src='http://www.black-iris.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This is what some of us have been saying for ages! </p></blockquote>
<p>ok? good for you then? I don&#8217;t understand why I&#8217;m not okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2006/07/31/jordan-treats-1200-lebanese-at-field-hospital/#comment-8096</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petra Fan

&lt;blockquote&gt;Its funny that you quote Petra News Agency&lt;/blockquote&gt;

actually i provided the bbc article as a &quot;counter claim&quot; and its not really a counter anything so much as it is the other side of a story.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am not certain if his reporting will be objective because, after all, he almost certainly flew to Beirut onboard the Jordanian planes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

actually leyne is someone who has been pretty negative about jordan unfairly (in my opinion) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.black-iris.com/?p=424&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in the past.&lt;/a&gt; so if anything a positive article about jordan coming from leyne should say something i suppose.

also its a bit of a contradiction to say that jordan planted him there for good coverage and then say that he&#039;s in line with the BBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petra Fan</p>
<blockquote><p>Its funny that you quote Petra News Agency</p></blockquote>
<p>actually i provided the bbc article as a &#8220;counter claim&#8221; and its not really a counter anything so much as it is the other side of a story.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am not certain if his reporting will be objective because, after all, he almost certainly flew to Beirut onboard the Jordanian planes.</p></blockquote>
<p>actually leyne is someone who has been pretty negative about jordan unfairly (in my opinion) <a href="http://www.black-iris.com/?p=424" rel="nofollow">in the past.</a> so if anything a positive article about jordan coming from leyne should say something i suppose.</p>
<p>also its a bit of a contradiction to say that jordan planted him there for good coverage and then say that he&#8217;s in line with the BBC.</p>
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		<title>By: Petra Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2006/07/31/jordan-treats-1200-lebanese-at-field-hospital/#comment-8095</link>
		<dc:creator>Petra Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the BBC story, it was written by Jon Leyne who is the BBC Amman Correspondent since 2004. I am not certain if his reporting will be objective because, after all, he almost certainly flew to Beirut onboard the Jordanian planes. It sounds like the &#039;embedded&#039; reporting for the US Army in the Iraq war doesn&#039;t it?

This is not to mention that this man probably has favours from the Royal Palace (presents, invitations, special treatment). We all know how foreign correspondents are courted by our leaders to get good coverage. 

Lastly, I expect the BBC would allow Jon Leyne to report this story because it is a trivial one (no conflict with the editorial policy), or better, because the sotry is in line with the warm UK-Jordan relationship.

So yeah, Jon Leyne is too reporting the Jordanian story too, just like Petra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the BBC story, it was written by Jon Leyne who is the BBC Amman Correspondent since 2004. I am not certain if his reporting will be objective because, after all, he almost certainly flew to Beirut onboard the Jordanian planes. It sounds like the &#8216;embedded&#8217; reporting for the US Army in the Iraq war doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>This is not to mention that this man probably has favours from the Royal Palace (presents, invitations, special treatment). We all know how foreign correspondents are courted by our leaders to get good coverage. </p>
<p>Lastly, I expect the BBC would allow Jon Leyne to report this story because it is a trivial one (no conflict with the editorial policy), or better, because the sotry is in line with the warm UK-Jordan relationship.</p>
<p>So yeah, Jon Leyne is too reporting the Jordanian story too, just like Petra.</p>
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		<title>By: Iman</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2006/07/31/jordan-treats-1200-lebanese-at-field-hospital/#comment-8094</link>
		<dc:creator>Iman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;even if itâ??s not the one that people prefer to hear.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Come on now! 

Anyway, I also wrote about that article by Laila Bassem..and Hamzeh  mentioned the article you just posted ... which is good and as mentioned extremely appreciated by the lebanese... but at the same time I cannot argue against the reasons of those who refused the aid. 


&lt;blockquote&gt;Under these circumstances this is perhaps the strongest political move of protest Jordan can hope to make.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Naseem?! are you okay?! :P

This is what some of us have been saying for ages!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>even if itâ??s not the one that people prefer to hear.</p></blockquote>
<p>Come on now! </p>
<p>Anyway, I also wrote about that article by Laila Bassem..and Hamzeh  mentioned the article you just posted &#8230; which is good and as mentioned extremely appreciated by the lebanese&#8230; but at the same time I cannot argue against the reasons of those who refused the aid. </p>
<blockquote><p>Under these circumstances this is perhaps the strongest political move of protest Jordan can hope to make.</p></blockquote>
<p>Naseem?! are you okay?! <img src='http://www.black-iris.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This is what some of us have been saying for ages!</p>
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		<title>By: Petra Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petra Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny that you quote Petra News Agency (Jordan&#039;s official news agency) as a counter claim to the Reuters report. Given that Jordan is the country concerned, I wouldn&#039;t rush to quote its official news agency, especially in the title. 

Given the track record of Reuters, on the other hand, and its distance from the parties involved, I would be more willing to believe its story. Why dont you write to Reuters and check the story? I am sure they can provide proof, or put you in touch with the reporter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny that you quote Petra News Agency (Jordan&#8217;s official news agency) as a counter claim to the Reuters report. Given that Jordan is the country concerned, I wouldn&#8217;t rush to quote its official news agency, especially in the title. </p>
<p>Given the track record of Reuters, on the other hand, and its distance from the parties involved, I would be more willing to believe its story. Why dont you write to Reuters and check the story? I am sure they can provide proof, or put you in touch with the reporter.</p>
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