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	<title>Comments on: The Latest House Parties In Jordan!</title>
	<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/</link>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jordanian Blogosphere: An Iris Also Blooms</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-59134</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jordanian Blogosphere: An Iris Also Blooms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-59134</guid>
		<description>[...] (Spring in Jordan. Photo Courtesy of Lina Ejailat)  In the political arena: the new political parties law has been met with a lot of resentment by the opposition. Jordanian bloggers give their take on the reaction to the law and what it will mean for the upcoming elections. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] (Spring in Jordan. Photo Courtesy of Lina Ejailat)  In the political arena: the new political parties law has been met with a lot of resentment by the opposition. Jordanian bloggers give their take on the reaction to the law and what it will mean for the upcoming elections. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mohanned</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50972</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohanned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50972</guid>
		<description>Laila,
The part of the law that you talked about touches the loyalty issue,
Rural area have no or little refugees, so the IAF lost the votes overthere..The law is to protect jordan not to make it an arm for hamas or iran..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laila,<br />
The part of the law that you talked about touches the loyalty issue,<br />
Rural area have no or little refugees, so the IAF lost the votes overthere..The law is to protect jordan not to make it an arm for hamas or iran..</p>
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		<title>By: Issa</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50908</link>
		<dc:creator>Issa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50908</guid>
		<description>I can't understand all this hubbub for 500 persons, is there a respectable party in the world with less than 500 members? Some parties said this step was undemocratic and anti-constitutional, I think it's only a justification since they are not able to find people...
However, let say that this is a wrong law, will parties merge in bigger ones without this restriction? you said that six centrist parties that have the same ideology and political vision were forced to merge by the new law, so do we really think these new parties are able to gain popular consensus?
Personally, I see that IAF is the only party not affected by the new law!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand all this hubbub for 500 persons, is there a respectable party in the world with less than 500 members? Some parties said this step was undemocratic and anti-constitutional, I think it&#8217;s only a justification since they are not able to find people&#8230;<br />
However, let say that this is a wrong law, will parties merge in bigger ones without this restriction? you said that six centrist parties that have the same ideology and political vision were forced to merge by the new law, so do we really think these new parties are able to gain popular consensus?<br />
Personally, I see that IAF is the only party not affected by the new law!</p>
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		<title>By: Laila</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50893</link>
		<dc:creator>Laila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50893</guid>
		<description>Hello,

You have overlooked an essential part of the law, the 10% representation in at least 5 cities in jordan. which means that every party should have at least 50% of its members outside Amman and divided equally on 5 different cities, a condition that does not aim for merging parties but rather hindering the political process. 

Yes 500 member in jordan is a huge number to have in one party; of course many thanks here goes to the very human and democratic prcoedures the government has been doing since the 70's more over the 50's when the JCP alone had thousands of members secretly joining an unallowed party and whom paid and still pay regarding that years at jail, prevention from working in any agency with a value and the continous haressements on all levels. thats beside the other parties all jordanian were in, every one in jordan knows many older grandparents, uncles and aunts and family friends who were politically active yet does not know one single young jordanian even knows what's the political situation we have in jordan, also Thank you goes to the same functioning government policy. 


So basically we have a problem here, and the source of this problem is the undemoratic government policies that wants to shape a certain political spectrum in jordan through any mean it can use. Political parties still function since 50's and 70's are not in a place to show the government that they have a good background of political friends and supporters outside the party belive in the same principles and agenda yet unwilling to enroll in the party for several issues, merging with other parties seriously wont make it go.

Its just enough to know, that any active Youth organization with believes and political line that differs with the government policies does not get a license to function and that refusal is just justified through the several rights decision makers have. 

The government was actually threatened last summer with 20 young girl and guy demanding a clean stand during the war on lebanon, those 20 jordanian youth brought considerable amount of police and intelligence forces and guys were actually follwed after the 20 person (imagine a 20) small demo ended. 

When a government is worried about enriching political awarness and freedom; of course to produce more active political life it does not add more rules and laws to cripple the process. you want political interaction, yup open the process and enough with laws and regulations, otherwise add as many conditions and rules, produce the spectrum you want and dont call it a step toward democracy cause its simply not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>You have overlooked an essential part of the law, the 10% representation in at least 5 cities in jordan. which means that every party should have at least 50% of its members outside Amman and divided equally on 5 different cities, a condition that does not aim for merging parties but rather hindering the political process. </p>
<p>Yes 500 member in jordan is a huge number to have in one party; of course many thanks here goes to the very human and democratic prcoedures the government has been doing since the 70&#8217;s more over the 50&#8217;s when the JCP alone had thousands of members secretly joining an unallowed party and whom paid and still pay regarding that years at jail, prevention from working in any agency with a value and the continous haressements on all levels. thats beside the other parties all jordanian were in, every one in jordan knows many older grandparents, uncles and aunts and family friends who were politically active yet does not know one single young jordanian even knows what&#8217;s the political situation we have in jordan, also Thank you goes to the same functioning government policy. </p>
<p>So basically we have a problem here, and the source of this problem is the undemoratic government policies that wants to shape a certain political spectrum in jordan through any mean it can use. Political parties still function since 50&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s are not in a place to show the government that they have a good background of political friends and supporters outside the party belive in the same principles and agenda yet unwilling to enroll in the party for several issues, merging with other parties seriously wont make it go.</p>
<p>Its just enough to know, that any active Youth organization with believes and political line that differs with the government policies does not get a license to function and that refusal is just justified through the several rights decision makers have. </p>
<p>The government was actually threatened last summer with 20 young girl and guy demanding a clean stand during the war on lebanon, those 20 jordanian youth brought considerable amount of police and intelligence forces and guys were actually follwed after the 20 person (imagine a 20) small demo ended. </p>
<p>When a government is worried about enriching political awarness and freedom; of course to produce more active political life it does not add more rules and laws to cripple the process. you want political interaction, yup open the process and enough with laws and regulations, otherwise add as many conditions and rules, produce the spectrum you want and dont call it a step toward democracy cause its simply not.</p>
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		<title>By: Memories Documented &#62;&#62; Tailored to order Democracy</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50722</link>
		<dc:creator>Memories Documented &#62;&#62; Tailored to order Democracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50722</guid>
		<description>[...] No votes have been cast!  Everyone seems to have their &#34;interesting&#34; view on how democracy should function in Jordan. Inspired by an article by Nas, an issue that I was thinking about regarding the Islamic Action Front (IAF). Where they have publicly denounced actions that seem to pour in the best interests of people who &#34;normalize&#34; with Israel. The advocates are saying even the prophet Mohammad traded with the Jews. But, it's not as simple as that. You see, Israel is an aggression state, people normalizing with Israel are ultimately NOT serving the strategic national issues. The way they look at it is simple. Take the money now and let the future resolve it's own issues. Also heard from people who don't believe that global warming is an issue and that fossil fuel will last forever.  Ahhh ... Democracy! You just gotta love Democracy.... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] No votes have been cast!  Everyone seems to have their &quot;interesting&quot; view on how democracy should function in Jordan. Inspired by an article by Nas, an issue that I was thinking about regarding the Islamic Action Front (IAF). Where they have publicly denounced actions that seem to pour in the best interests of people who &quot;normalize&quot; with Israel. The advocates are saying even the prophet Mohammad traded with the Jews. But, it&#8217;s not as simple as that. You see, Israel is an aggression state, people normalizing with Israel are ultimately NOT serving the strategic national issues. The way they look at it is simple. Take the money now and let the future resolve it&#8217;s own issues. Also heard from people who don&#8217;t believe that global warming is an issue and that fossil fuel will last forever.  Ahhh &#8230; Democracy! You just gotta love Democracy&#8230;. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: habchawi</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50721</link>
		<dc:creator>habchawi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50721</guid>
		<description>there are many reasons for the strong foothold of the IAF in Jordan and most of them are not about their agenda. one of those reasons is the  way the IAF is run, as you know they way they conduct their internal election is even close to being democratic. so, the faces change while their agenda items and loyalties stay the same.  this makes the government very reluctant in making an honest attempt to institute a very good election and political parties laws i am not even sure if it can be done in the current situation. personally i don't blame them and i would rather the current situation than seeing the IAF taking control because of they do they probably will the election law in its entirety and go back to the bi3a and shora systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are many reasons for the strong foothold of the IAF in Jordan and most of them are not about their agenda. one of those reasons is the  way the IAF is run, as you know they way they conduct their internal election is even close to being democratic. so, the faces change while their agenda items and loyalties stay the same.  this makes the government very reluctant in making an honest attempt to institute a very good election and political parties laws i am not even sure if it can be done in the current situation. personally i don&#8217;t blame them and i would rather the current situation than seeing the IAF taking control because of they do they probably will the election law in its entirety and go back to the bi3a and shora systems.</p>
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		<title>By: hamede</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50668</link>
		<dc:creator>hamede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50668</guid>
		<description>Some people want to customize democracy to fit their liking,the jordanian gov harbored the IAF since 1940.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people want to customize democracy to fit their liking,the jordanian gov harbored the IAF since 1940.</p>
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		<title>By: Maha</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50634</link>
		<dc:creator>Maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50634</guid>
		<description>Worse than iran and egypt governments.. at least those balshaneen b7alhom more or less !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worse than iran and egypt governments.. at least those balshaneen b7alhom more or less !!</p>
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		<title>By: Maha</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50633</link>
		<dc:creator>Maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya 3ammi min el akher bidna a7zab wa6aneyeh bedoon irtiba6at kharejeyeh 

is that too much to ask for ? you are in JORDAN elected by JORDANIANS and in the JORDANIAN government if you are not concerned with Jordanian issues then you don't belong and you are raping the democratic elections until you get strong enough to establish non-democratic-iran-egypt-style governments  !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya 3ammi min el akher bidna a7zab wa6aneyeh bedoon irtiba6at kharejeyeh </p>
<p>is that too much to ask for ? you are in JORDAN elected by JORDANIANS and in the JORDANIAN government if you are not concerned with Jordanian issues then you don&#8217;t belong and you are raping the democratic elections until you get strong enough to establish non-democratic-iran-egypt-style governments  !!</p>
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		<title>By: Mohanned</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50628</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohanned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2007/03/24/the-latest-house-parties-in-jordan/#comment-50628</guid>
		<description>Nas,
I am suggesting that we start a sencere debate about loyalties of the jordanian parties, The "IAF" has no loyality to jordan or its people, they are a part of hamas or vice versa, my suggestion is that they move their struggle to the west bank or gaza, I will  be accused of being a racist, But I am not, the only thing that you can charge me with is that I love jordan more than some "JORDANIANS".. What If the IAF control the government? I don't want people telling me what to do or what my sister or wife should wear!! I have my own definition of islam, and they don't have the right to enforce theirs on me..
Jordan interests must always be first, if not move to the country that you are more "LOYAL" to, Am i right??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nas,<br />
I am suggesting that we start a sencere debate about loyalties of the jordanian parties, The &#8220;IAF&#8221; has no loyality to jordan or its people, they are a part of hamas or vice versa, my suggestion is that they move their struggle to the west bank or gaza, I will  be accused of being a racist, But I am not, the only thing that you can charge me with is that I love jordan more than some &#8220;JORDANIANS&#8221;.. What If the IAF control the government? I don&#8217;t want people telling me what to do or what my sister or wife should wear!! I have my own definition of islam, and they don&#8217;t have the right to enforce theirs on me..<br />
Jordan interests must always be first, if not move to the country that you are more &#8220;LOYAL&#8221; to, Am i right??</p>
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