Comments on: How I Propose We Pay For Public Education In Jordan http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/ A Jordanian Blog Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:59:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Samer Marzouq http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-111623 Samer Marzouq Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:26:35 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-111623 As far as I know, the cost in governmental and private universities is almost the same, which is of course very high, so I don't believe that our dear universities need 4 million JD's a year! I would raise my hand for corruption. As far as I know, the cost in governmental and private universities is almost the same, which is of course very high, so I don’t believe that our dear universities need 4 million JD’s a year!

I would raise my hand for corruption.

]]> By: The university JD | MQabbani, Minds Talk http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-111411 The university JD | MQabbani, Minds Talk Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:04:20 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-111411 [...] JD for this year , to who don’t know what is this JD u can read more about at Tololy and Nas , also in the newspaper in past Here and Here I was wonder about HOW THEY TAKE TAX ONE TAX [...] […] JD for this year , to who don’t know what is this JD u can read more about at Tololy and Nas , also in the newspaper in past Here and Here I was wonder about HOW THEY TAKE TAX ONE TAX […]

]]> By: Nas http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60721 Nas Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:33:08 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60721 <b>Nidal:</b> "I was a tad worried with how you took assumptions about figures and mechanisms as a factual basis for your conclusion." you have to read more between the lines than the actual lines themselves. p.s. those numbers may not be as assumptive as you think ;-) Nidal: “I was a tad worried with how you took assumptions about figures and mechanisms as a factual basis for your conclusion.”

you have to read more between the lines than the actual lines themselves.

p.s. those numbers may not be as assumptive as you think ;-)

]]> By: Nidal http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60711 Nidal Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:19:00 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60711 As much as I agree with the concluded sentiment, I was a tad worried with how you took assumptions about figures and mechanisms as a factual basis for your conclusion. Very unlike you I might add. A few more years back in Jordan and you will be a fully fledgling conspiracy theorist ;) As a side but related note, the biggest burden nationally from a free education prospective is Markoma, and I do not think there is much wrong with that in principle but I would much prefer if the entitlement became means tested as well, that is to say above an a given average income per dependent you will loose (or maybe reduce) your entitlement to it. As much as I agree with the concluded sentiment, I was a tad worried with how you took assumptions about figures and mechanisms as a factual basis for your conclusion. Very unlike you I might add. A few more years back in Jordan and you will be a fully fledgling conspiracy theorist ;)

As a side but related note, the biggest burden nationally from a free education prospective is Markoma, and I do not think there is much wrong with that in principle but I would much prefer if the entitlement became means tested as well, that is to say above an a given average income per dependent you will loose (or maybe reduce) your entitlement to it.

]]> By: Nas http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60538 Nas Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:21:41 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60538 I'm a little hesitant to call this corruption. It is technically a perk of being a public sector employee (depending on your position) and so it's something that's open to many many people. In other words this is not an under-the-table shady type of deal. As for the royal family, their numbers are insignificant to the public sectors that benefit from this "perk" alone. I would however recognizing the need to restrict that to specific royal family members who travel for government business, that's something that's available to all heads of state regardless. As for removing all taxes, suffice to say that's not how a country works at all. As for traffic tickets; I completely agree. There are many many sources of revenue that the government can go to first before looking at the tax payer. The problem with that is that in Jordan it is easier for the government to take the easy way out and tax its citizens instead of conservation, fines, reallocation, etc. Because the latter would simply mean a lot of work and a lot of efficiency; two things the government is not always interested in. Going home at 2pm is more important at this point in time. I’m a little hesitant to call this corruption. It is technically a perk of being a public sector employee (depending on your position) and so it’s something that’s open to many many people. In other words this is not an under-the-table shady type of deal.

As for the royal family, their numbers are insignificant to the public sectors that benefit from this “perk” alone. I would however recognizing the need to restrict that to specific royal family members who travel for government business, that’s something that’s available to all heads of state regardless.

As for removing all taxes, suffice to say that’s not how a country works at all.

As for traffic tickets; I completely agree. There are many many sources of revenue that the government can go to first before looking at the tax payer.

The problem with that is that in Jordan it is easier for the government to take the easy way out and tax its citizens instead of conservation, fines, reallocation, etc. Because the latter would simply mean a lot of work and a lot of efficiency; two things the government is not always interested in.

Going home at 2pm is more important at this point in time.

]]> By: moi http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60508 moi Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:59:10 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60508 orrrrrr the police could simply go out enforcing traffic laws and definitely make more than $4 million just by ticketing all the idiots who can't operate a vehicle properly. orrrrrr the police could simply go out enforcing traffic laws and definitely make more than $4 million just by ticketing all the idiots who can’t operate a vehicle properly.

]]> By: Lubna http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60501 Lubna Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:53:10 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60501 couldn't read past the first paragraph but will do so tomorrow. ALl i want to say for the moment is that it's not only on cell phones, my mom went to pay the phone bill today and they added that one day on the landline too! rejoice:) couldn’t read past the first paragraph but will do so tomorrow. ALl i want to say for the moment is that it’s not only on cell phones, my mom went to pay the phone bill today and they added that one day on the landline too!
rejoice:)

]]> By: alurdunialhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60466 alurdunialhurr Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:10:42 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60466 I say no taxes at all,Education must be free for all people'we are sick and tired of the corrupt and inept government'it's no longer can serve and provide for it's people, Taxation without representation is out right crime,they want to tax us but they don't want us to participate in the decision making processes. I have an easy and right solution for the lack of funds for our run down Schools First,All government employees must pay for travel expenses including the king and his family,eash trip the king and his family make is paid by the Treasury's trip to the US an d other Capitals cost the tax Bayer millions of dollars and that's without hotel accommodation. Second,All royal family members and I mean ALL, must get off government hefty salaries,we no longer can afford their tax free salaries anymore,and that will translate in saving million of dollars, Third,all Multinational corporation that bought public sectors almost for free must pay some percentage on their business in Jordan and that will also bring in huge funds to help education. Third,,seek for compensation from US,for the impact of the war on Jordan, Iraq,this on going war of ""liberation"" has put tremendous pressure on the infestructure of Jordan and that include schools,roads ,hospitals and water shortage. Fourth,,stop the presese of privitasation,because if we stay on this dangerous path,soon enough they will say education must become privatised and you people will have to take the brunt of it all. I say no taxes at all,Education must be free for all people’we are sick and tired of the corrupt and inept government’it’s no longer can serve and provide for it’s people,
Taxation without representation is out right crime,they want to tax us but they don’t want us to participate in the decision making processes.
I have an easy and right solution for the lack of funds for our run down Schools
First,All government employees must pay for travel expenses including the king and his family,eash trip the king and his family make is paid by the Treasury’s trip to the US an d other Capitals cost the tax Bayer millions of dollars and that’s without hotel accommodation.
Second,All royal family members and I mean ALL, must get off government hefty salaries,we no longer can afford their tax free salaries anymore,and that will translate in saving million of dollars,
Third,all Multinational corporation that bought public sectors almost for free must pay some percentage on their business in Jordan and that will also bring in huge funds to help education.
Third,,seek for compensation from US,for the impact of the war on Jordan, Iraq,this on going war of “”liberation”" has put tremendous pressure on the infestructure of Jordan and that include schools,roads ,hospitals and water shortage.
Fourth,,stop the presese of privitasation,because if we stay on this dangerous path,soon enough they will say education must become privatised and you people will have to take the brunt of it all.

]]> By: Mohanned http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60457 Mohanned Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:58:29 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60457 Nas, Corruption in jordan is like cancer, and it is unbelievable how much injustice we have, I just don't know!!We are exactly like sheep and cows in a barn-which means two things for the government: 1- We are low lifes and stupid. 2- We need to be milked inorder for them to divert our attention from the real issues, and each time the people start to smell extra money the bitch slap will be on the way by the big pimps!! Yalla alla b3een!! Nas,
Corruption in jordan is like cancer, and it is unbelievable how much injustice we have, I just don’t know!!We are exactly like sheep and cows in a barn-which means two things for the government:
1- We are low lifes and stupid.
2- We need to be milked inorder for them to divert our attention from the real issues, and each time the people start to smell extra money the bitch slap will be on the way by the big pimps!!
Yalla alla b3een!!

]]> By: kinzi http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60427 kinzi Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:12:08 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60427 Oh wow, Nas, this was depressing. To me, yet another revelation of the unfair conditions around. Oh wow, Nas, this was depressing. To me, yet another revelation of the unfair conditions around.

]]> By: MOA http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60424 MOA Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:55:48 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60424 It is so sad the common case when a brilliant/poor student loses his chance because his family can’t afford the increasing uni tuitions when you see others who got a first placement changing major after the first semester. The government has come up with many plans to help this sector of poor students but it helps only a small portion and the help is really small compared to the expenses those families pay it covers a semester or two, three at max! If the government wants to support its employees’ sons in getting education it is fine but my take is that they shouldn’t interfere with the unified admission system it is not fare. At the end the government will do whatever it wants and the people will complain about any thing, but none of them will listen to the other. It is so sad the common case when a brilliant/poor student loses his chance because his family can’t afford the increasing uni tuitions when you see others who got a first placement changing major after the first semester. The government has come up with many plans to help this sector of poor students but it helps only a small portion and the help is really small compared to the expenses those families pay it covers a semester or two, three at max!

If the government wants to support its employees’ sons in getting education it is fine but my take is that they shouldn’t interfere with the unified admission system it is not fare.

At the end the government will do whatever it wants and the people will complain about any thing, but none of them will listen to the other.

]]> By: Lowfields http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60420 Lowfields Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:07:17 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60420 Couldn't agree more... I have several points about my 1JD being taken WITHOUT MY PERMISSION, so to keep them digestible, here are bullets: The principal: • I already paid 2.5 JDs in tax on my pre-pay card. • Taking money without consent or clear precedent is STEALING. • If I want to give to charity, I WILL DECIDE where it goes. • Indirect taxation is, in any case, immoral; everyone paid THE SAME 1JD regardless of their ability to pay. So everyone who owns a phone in Jordan will have paid this tax, whether they earn 1,000 JDs a day as a construction site contractor, or 2JDs a day making coffee for the Egyptians they exploit. That is appallingly unfair on the majority at the lower end of the economic spectrum. • If public services need to be paid for – and this tax is a clear admission that this is the case – then INCREASE INCOME TAX and impose CAPITAL GAINS TAX. These are the ONLY taxes based on ABILITY TO PAY. • Why are universities so special? How about putting glass in every school window? Heating in every classroom? This move is yet another example of the top-down, elitist thinking that permeates much of contemporary public policy here – taxes that steal more from the poor, protect the rich and don't address a single long-term problem. Couldn’t agree more…

I have several points about my 1JD being taken WITHOUT MY PERMISSION, so to keep them digestible, here are bullets:

The principal:

• I already paid 2.5 JDs in tax on my pre-pay card.

• Taking money without consent or clear precedent is STEALING.

• If I want to give to charity, I WILL DECIDE where it goes.

• Indirect taxation is, in any case, immoral; everyone paid THE SAME 1JD regardless of their ability to pay. So everyone who owns a phone in Jordan will have paid this tax, whether they earn 1,000 JDs a day as a construction site contractor, or 2JDs a day making coffee for the Egyptians they exploit. That is appallingly unfair on the majority at the lower end of the economic spectrum.

• If public services need to be paid for – and this tax is a clear admission that this is the case – then INCREASE INCOME TAX and impose CAPITAL GAINS TAX. These are the ONLY taxes based on ABILITY TO PAY.

• Why are universities so special? How about putting glass in every school window? Heating in every classroom?

This move is yet another example of the top-down, elitist thinking that permeates much of contemporary public policy here – taxes that steal more from the poor, protect the rich and don’t address a single long-term problem.

]]> By: Nas http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60419 Nas Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:05:28 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60419 salam: oops careless typo...thanks for the correction salam: oops careless typo…thanks for the correction

]]> By: salam http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60415 salam Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:18:08 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/04/14/how-i-propose-we-pay-for-public-education-in-jordan/#comment-60415 Honest question:In the title?Did you mean How I Propose?or can we use Purpose this way?And by the way..interesting proposal..I did not know this much was being spent this way.. Honest question:In the title?Did you mean How I Propose?or can we use Purpose this way?And by the way..interesting proposal..I did not know this much was being spent this way..

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