Comments on: Verbatim | The Most Dangerous Agreement Ever http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/ A Jordanian Blog Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:24:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Hani Obaid http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-82367 Hani Obaid Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:24:46 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-82367 Scratch that, I read the real agreement, there's no such clause. http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/cedaw/text/econvention.htm Serves me right for beleiving something said on a TV show. The only part of the agreement I disagreed with was the part justifying reverse discrimination (eg. women winning elections with less votes, or given a job they aren't the most qualified for, or being admitted to a university eventhough others have beter academic qualifications; all based on quotas). Basically it justifies this by saying these are temporary measures to be enacted until true equality can be established, but really they just perpetuate the idea of women as victims that need an extra helping hand. The key to liberating women is obviously economic independance. The other major factor would normally be political power (through voting), but that only applies in a true democracy. The right to vote isn't a big deal here. Scratch that, I read the real agreement, there’s no such clause.
http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/cedaw/text/econvention.htm

Serves me right for beleiving something said on a TV show.

The only part of the agreement I disagreed with was the part justifying reverse discrimination (eg. women winning elections with less votes, or given a job they aren’t the most qualified for, or being admitted to a university eventhough others have beter academic qualifications; all based on quotas).

Basically it justifies this by saying these are temporary measures to be enacted until true equality can be established, but really they just perpetuate the idea of women as victims that need an extra helping hand.

The key to liberating women is obviously economic independance. The other major factor would normally be political power (through voting), but that only applies in a true democracy. The right to vote isn’t a big deal here.

]]> By: Hani Obaid http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-82166 Hani Obaid Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:17:56 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-82166 Mind you while I'm an agnostic born in a muslim family, I saw a debate about this agreement setup on tv. They brought in a sheikh, a feminist, someone representing a religous women organization, and some politician, and others. Anyway one of the main points the sheikh and the religous women's group objected to in the agreement is that it states a girls'r right to her own body, with the further subtext that she has the right to have sex as she choses with whomever she chooses (even as a teenager). Now this level of liberalism is not something Arab societies regardless of religion are ready for. Keep in mind that signing this whole agreement has no legal ramafications, but is just a matter of principle. Mind you while I’m an agnostic born in a muslim family, I saw a debate about this agreement setup on tv. They brought in a sheikh, a feminist, someone representing a religous women organization, and some politician, and others.

Anyway one of the main points the sheikh and the religous women’s group objected to in the agreement is that it states a girls’r right to her own body, with the further subtext that she has the right to have sex as she choses with whomever she chooses (even as a teenager). Now this level of liberalism is not something Arab societies regardless of religion are ready for. Keep in mind that signing this whole agreement has no legal ramafications, but is just a matter of principle.

]]> By: alurdunialhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80976 alurdunialhurr Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:53:31 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80976 We have seen in the past Jordan signed a collectives of Agreement, Protocols and treaties. And one of them the Ban on torture ,what happened to that, did we adhere to protocols and agreement to ban torture ,the answer is no ,right now we have Jordanian civilians being tortured while we critizing the Islamist for their stupid comments . We have seen in the past Jordan signed a collectives of Agreement, Protocols and treaties.
And one of them the Ban on torture ,what happened to that, did we adhere to protocols and agreement to ban torture ,the answer is no ,right now we have Jordanian civilians being tortured while we critizing the Islamist for their stupid comments .

]]> By: Nas http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80739 Nas Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:29:43 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80739 Muhammed, this is the full text of the article: http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/ Muhammed, this is the full text of the article: http://andfaraway.net/blog/2007/08/06/ikhwanjeyeh-are/

]]> By: Muhammed http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80632 Muhammed Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:33:09 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80632 Can someone please give me a better explanation of this article?! Cuz didn't understand much since there aren't any details. Can someone please give me a better explanation of this article?! Cuz didn’t understand much since there aren’t any details.

]]> By: serendip http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80440 serendip Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:46:31 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80440 Beautiful blog. Read what happens when your country becomes a theocracy: http://fleetingperusal.blogspot.com Beautiful blog. Read what happens when your country becomes a theocracy:

http://fleetingperusal.blogspot.com

]]> By: The Observer http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80396 The Observer Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:56:00 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80396 Totally absurd! Ibrahim Zeid Kilani does know very well that eliminating discrimination against women would destroy his own Islamic view of his own Islamic family! Wake up! Totally absurd! Ibrahim Zeid Kilani does know very well that eliminating discrimination against women would destroy his own Islamic view of his own Islamic family!

Wake up!

]]> By: Shaden http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80375 Shaden Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:38:14 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80375 I just smacked my forehead. Unbelievable! I just smacked my forehead. Unbelievable!

]]> By: Batir Wardam http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80368 Batir Wardam Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:06:40 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80368 My deep and sincer thanks for Dr Kilani as he shows the real face of the Islamists in Jordan away from the camouflage they try to design while calling for "democratic elections". My deep and sincer thanks for Dr Kilani as he shows the real face of the Islamists in Jordan away from the camouflage they try to design while calling for “democratic elections”.

]]> By: Mazz http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80299 Mazz Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:02:47 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/08/06/verbatim-the-most-dangerous-agreement-ever/#comment-80299 speechless! WTF?! speechless! WTF?!

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