Comments on: Developing The Culture Of Ramadan In Jordan http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/ A Jordanian Blog Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:04:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Umm Zaid http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-88765 Umm Zaid Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:11:38 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-88765 Salaam 'Alaikum Do tourists always have to be catered to? If they come to Jordan or another Muslim country during Ramadan, don't they kind of know what to expect? I mean, it's in all the tourist books. Do Muslims serve God or tourists? I mean, for one month out of the whole year can it not be about this stuff? Just 30 days or is that too much? I ask this honestly, not to argue. Personally, I agree with Nido. Ramadan does not "feel like" Ramadan to me when I'm in Jordan the way it does when I'm in the States. If you suggest, "Let's read Juz' Qur'an together," people will roll their eyes at you and make a dozen and one excuses why they can't (won't) read Qur'an. If you suggest Tash, it's happy time and enthusiasm. We are in self-imposed isolation from people this month. We just could not take another 29 or 30 nights of smoking, gossiping, stupid television shows where the women put on makeup with a trowel, more gossiping, eating to excess, more smoking, dissing the deen, and all the other stuff of previous years. My opinion is that if you want to gamble, have a belly dancer, blare crappy pop music in a tent, or do any of the rest of it, do it without slapping the name "Ramadan" on it. Really, Ramadan doesn't need it and neither do you (the general you). Just do it, and be proud of gambling and don't justify your "fun" with Ramadan. Salaam ‘Alaikum

Do tourists always have to be catered to? If they come to Jordan or another Muslim country during Ramadan, don’t they kind of know what to expect? I mean, it’s in all the tourist books. Do Muslims serve God or tourists? I mean, for one month out of the whole year can it not be about this stuff? Just 30 days or is that too much? I ask this honestly, not to argue.

Personally, I agree with Nido. Ramadan does not “feel like” Ramadan to me when I’m in Jordan the way it does when I’m in the States. If you suggest, “Let’s read Juz’ Qur’an together,” people will roll their eyes at you and make a dozen and one excuses why they can’t (won’t) read Qur’an. If you suggest Tash, it’s happy time and enthusiasm. We are in self-imposed isolation from people this month. We just could not take another 29 or 30 nights of smoking, gossiping, stupid television shows where the women put on makeup with a trowel, more gossiping, eating to excess, more smoking, dissing the deen, and all the other stuff of previous years.

My opinion is that if you want to gamble, have a belly dancer, blare crappy pop music in a tent, or do any of the rest of it, do it without slapping the name “Ramadan” on it. Really, Ramadan doesn’t need it and neither do you (the general you). Just do it, and be proud of gambling and don’t justify your “fun” with Ramadan.

]]> By: Thinking: a good excersize? at Arabesque Rhapsody http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-88309 Thinking: a good excersize? at Arabesque Rhapsody Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:13:30 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-88309 [...] In retrospect to this [...] […] In retrospect to this […]

]]> By: Sana http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-88111 Sana Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:06:27 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-88111 I fail to see the problem with a little fun??!!! You seem to object just for the sake of it! I much prefer the Ramadan tents with belly dancers to the previously boring month when no body went out and there were no places to go to. Additionally, think of these attractions from a tourist's prespective. Don't you think that it will act as an attraction for tourists? When you go to Egypt and they have a belly dancer everywhere I never hear anyone objecting as it is seen as part of their "fun" culture so let us try to be less nikadiyeen. I fail to see the problem with a little fun??!!! You seem to object just for the sake of it! I much prefer the Ramadan tents with belly dancers to the previously boring month when no body went out and there were no places to go to. Additionally, think of these attractions from a tourist’s prespective. Don’t you think that it will act as an attraction for tourists?
When you go to Egypt and they have a belly dancer everywhere I never hear anyone objecting as it is seen as part of their “fun” culture so let us try to be less nikadiyeen.

]]> By: Dave http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-88037 Dave Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:53:13 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-88037 An interesting post. Religious holidays, I believe, are doomed to be tainted; it happened to Christmas long ago. An interesting post. Religious holidays, I believe, are doomed to be tainted; it happened to Christmas long ago.

]]> By: alurdunialhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87797 alurdunialhurr Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:21:43 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87797 Maha,,<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a9VnxZEHGg" rel="nofollow">It is the rich who creates the poor</a> Maha,,It is the rich who creates the poor

]]> By: Maha http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87777 Maha Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:26:38 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87777 Why don't you start something then..do something about this ...the online jordanian community has power. Get together...go volunteer for the poor and hungry when YOU are hungry. check with takeyet om 3ali or small unfunded charities. like you said Nas you buy ink by the barrel (and bandwidth by the mega byte) reach out to big companies for a little bit of wealth redistribution.Start your own ramadan breakfast tent, not in west amman where people don't bother bending over to pick up a bareezeh but where it's needed, use labels and big names to the benefit of the poor people who can't even afford a decent meal let alone affording to drink pepsi or have dessert. I'm all for the use of traditional jordanian weapons takhjeel o i7raj o jahed bala on rich companies for the benefit of the poor Why don’t you start something then..do something about this …the online jordanian community has power. Get together…go volunteer for the poor and hungry when YOU are hungry. check with takeyet om 3ali or small unfunded charities. like you said Nas you buy ink by the barrel (and bandwidth by the mega byte) reach out to big companies for a little bit of wealth redistribution.Start your own ramadan breakfast tent, not in west amman where people don’t bother bending over to pick up a bareezeh but where it’s needed, use labels and big names to the benefit of the poor people who can’t even afford a decent meal let alone affording to drink pepsi or have dessert. I’m all for the use of traditional jordanian weapons takhjeel o i7raj o jahed bala on rich companies for the benefit of the poor

]]> By: alurdunialhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87764 alurdunialhurr Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:57:16 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87764 باتير،،دعني أسهل وأبسط الامر لك،أنا ساعطيك مثال بسيط وزغنون،أذا كنت مسافرا علي أحدا الباصات العامه،وخلال الرحله وقع حادث مروع سببه السائق ،من هوا االمسؤل عن الحادث ØŸ المسافرين أم السائق،بلطبع السائق،ومن هوا هذا السائق الذي يقود الاردن الي الهاويه والهلاك؟ سؤل بصيط وجوابه أبصط... باتير،،دعني أسهل وأبسط الامر لك،أنا ساعطيك مثال بسيط وزغنون،أذا كنت مسافرا علي أحدا الباصات العامه،وخلال الرحله وقع حادث مروع سببه السائق ،من هوا االمسؤل عن الحادث ØŸ المسافرين أم السائق،بلطبع السائق،ومن هوا هذا السائق الذي يقود الاردن الي الهاويه والهلاك؟ سؤل بصيط وجوابه أبصط…

]]> By: khalid jarrar http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87746 khalid jarrar Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:01:48 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87746 Waalla Nas ya zalamih inta 3a rasi min fog walla. y3ni you coulnt be more correct even if you tried your best. y3ni now, if you are fasting and "practicign ramanda" the way it should be, its really, really dificult to mix with people or attend any event or even go to a lot of the resturatns. everywhere you go: argeelih ziftih, loud songs, ,o`3anneen o mo`3anniyat. everywehre you go. TV SUCKS, SUCKS big time, what you need to do ti just "protect yourself" is to isolate yourself, which is really, really sad, i mean we live in jordan, and we have to isolate ourselves to maintain some sort of "healthy" fasting. IN JORDAN. I mean ya akhy when you are in Canada its totally understandable, but in Jordan?!! :*( walla it really really makes me sad:( :( :( Waalla Nas ya zalamih inta 3a rasi min fog walla.

y3ni you coulnt be more correct even if you tried your best.

y3ni now, if you are fasting and “practicign ramanda” the way it should be, its really, really dificult to mix with people or attend any event or even go to a lot of the resturatns. everywhere you go: argeelih ziftih, loud songs, ,o`3anneen o mo`3anniyat. everywehre you go. TV SUCKS, SUCKS big time, what you need to do ti just “protect yourself” is to isolate yourself, which is really, really sad, i mean we live in jordan, and we have to isolate ourselves to maintain some sort of “healthy” fasting. IN JORDAN. I mean ya akhy when you are in Canada its totally understandable, but in Jordan?!!
:*(

walla it really really makes me sad:( :( :(

]]> By: Tulip http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87726 Tulip Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:01:44 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87726 Batir, LOL; Why did you drag the regime and king into this? he didnt. Overlooking the relation between the Free market system and its cultural and behvioural consequences is ethier due to ignorance in what the free market rules adaptation means or the relaiztaion of this relation and denying it to keep holding to this rotten economical approach. Batir,

LOL; Why did you drag the regime and king into this? he didnt.

Overlooking the relation between the Free market system and its cultural and behvioural consequences is ethier due to ignorance in what the free market rules adaptation means or the relaiztaion of this relation and denying it to keep holding to this rotten economical approach.

]]> By: Batir Wardam http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87724 Batir Wardam Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:34:23 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87724 الأردني الحر أكيد الحق على الملك والنظام، أو أنك تعبان من الصيام لأنك لم تضع اللوم على الملك في هذا التعليق؟ الأردني الحر أكيد الحق على الملك والنظام، أو أنك تعبان من الصيام لأنك لم تضع اللوم على الملك في هذا التعليق؟

]]> By: mkilany http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87718 mkilany Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:16:54 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87718 Great post on the subject... You captured the essence of this mess, I love Abu Mahjoob’s cartoons, they sum it up… It’s all about smart marketing and naive consumers... who choose to turn a blind eye to their own actions… Great post on the subject… You captured the essence of this mess, I love Abu Mahjoob’s cartoons, they sum it up…

It’s all about smart marketing and naive consumers… who choose to turn a blind eye to their own actions…

]]> By: Sana http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87691 Sana Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:15:18 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87691 Sana, why do you have the same name as I do??? It would be good to differentiate as who's saying what! Sana, why do you have the same name as I do??? It would be good to differentiate as who’s saying what!

]]> By: alurdunialhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87662 alurdunialhurr Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:40:58 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87662 انا أعتقد ان أستغلال الشهر الكريم ليس سببها الحضاره كما تفضلت به،وانما في النضام الاقتصادي أو كما يعرف بنضام أقتصاد السوق الحر وطبعأ هذا السوق لم يكن حرأ في يوما من الايام، الدي فرض علينا من قبل جهات داخليه وخارجيه،عندما عشت في الاردن لمده عشرين ،شهر رمضان لم يكن مستغل من قبل التجار واصحاب الاعمال بهذه الطريقه الوحشيه والغير خلاقه، اليوم ،ها نحن نري كيف هذا الشهرالكريم قدأخطتف لخدمه أصحاب النفود والتجار والشركات عابره القارات،اليوم نصططيع ان نجزم ونقول بأن رمضان قد عولما وستغل الي صالح المطبلين والمزمرين الي سوق العولمه أو ما أسميه البلطجه أو سوق الحرميه والنصابين انا أعتقد ان أستغلال الشهر الكريم ليس سببها الحضاره كما تفضلت به،وانما في النضام الاقتصادي أو كما يعرف بنضام أقتصاد السوق الحر وطبعأ هذا السوق لم يكن حرأ في يوما من الايام، الدي فرض علينا من قبل جهات داخليه وخارجيه،عندما عشت في الاردن لمده عشرين ،شهر رمضان لم يكن مستغل من قبل التجار واصحاب الاعمال بهذه الطريقه الوحشيه والغير خلاقه، اليوم ،ها نحن نري كيف هذا الشهرالكريم قدأخطتف لخدمه أصحاب النفود والتجار والشركات عابره القارات،اليوم نصططيع ان نجزم ونقول بأن رمضان قد عولما وستغل الي صالح المطبلين والمزمرين الي سوق العولمه أو ما أسميه البلطجه أو سوق الحرميه والنصابين

]]> By: Nas http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87661 Nas Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:38:42 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87661 asoom and sana: that's true but this is about ramadan and not christmas. moreover, i would argue that the practices and purposes associated with this entire month make it a bit more religious than celebrating the birth of Christ. asoom and sana: that’s true but this is about ramadan and not christmas. moreover, i would argue that the practices and purposes associated with this entire month make it a bit more religious than celebrating the birth of Christ.

]]> By: Sana http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87656 Sana Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:25:25 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87656 in west and Christian world, it's the same case for xmas, mothers day, etc. in west and Christian world, it’s the same case for xmas, mothers day, etc.

]]> By: asoom http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87655 asoom Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:18:20 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87655 " I’ve been having difficulties reconciling with this new environment where religion interacts with culture. " This isn't unique to jordan or the arab world, look how extremely commercialized christmas has become ” I’ve been having difficulties reconciling with this new environment where religion interacts with culture. ”

This isn’t unique to jordan or the arab world, look how extremely commercialized christmas has become

]]> By: nido http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87654 nido Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:16:26 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87654 Avery good read! I remember how I used to watch many TV shows during ramadan back in Amman, and how I used to miss taraweeh prayer at the mosque, but living in the states gives ramadan a very different meaning! I can't deny that I miss the family and friends gatherings during this month, but to be honest, I'm getting to like it here better! Muslims from all over the world get together at the community, eat together, pray together, many sessions are held too, during the day! it's like a big religious event throughout the month, simple, yet effective! Avery good read!
I remember how I used to watch many TV shows during ramadan back in Amman, and how I used to miss taraweeh prayer at the mosque, but living in the states gives ramadan a very different meaning! I can’t deny that I miss the family and friends gatherings during this month, but to be honest, I’m getting to like it here better!
Muslims from all over the world get together at the community, eat together, pray together, many sessions are held too, during the day! it’s like a big religious event throughout the month, simple, yet effective!

]]> By: Batir Wardam http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87649 Batir Wardam Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:06:15 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87649 It is a market for consumerism. Night clubs turn into Ramadan tent with possibly the same people visiting and serving! It is a market for consumerism. Night clubs turn into Ramadan tent with possibly the same people visiting and serving!

]]> By: salam http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87637 salam Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:23:52 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/09/18/developing-the-culture-of-ramadan-in-jordan/#comment-87637 بس في اشي محيرني اكتر:انو شو العلاقة بين رمضان و التهريج؟يعني الناس صايمة و التلفزيونات بتحب تخفف عنها شوي،بس الضحك ما بيصير الا بالتهريج؟ بس في اشي محيرني اكتر:انو شو العلاقة بين رمضان و التهريج؟يعني الناس صايمة و التلفزيونات بتحب تخفف عنها شوي،بس الضحك ما بيصير الا بالتهريج؟

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