Comments on: Oweidi Goes Directly To Jail; Does Not Pass Go http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/ A Jordanian Blog Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:50:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: anonymous http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-93069 anonymous Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:02:07 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-93069 guys, calm down, i'm not saying that people that 'hurt' others go to jail in the west. i'm saying people that maliciously damage reputations based on lies do. i'm always been very interested in history, specially US history because they went through so much. Look at what happened in the famous 'mccarthy era'.. Joseph mccarthy accused people of being communists (high profile and low profile people)...public sentament and fear took over, and the people accused weren't given a chance to prove they weren't communists. THAT'S what happens when people like Mccarthy and Abbadi are allowed to make up malicious deceitful lies. It's called libel. It's called slander. and in every developed civilization, laws exist to protect people against libel and slander. The Observer, you call him insane. I don't think he's insane. He is vicious and intent on creating rifts between people and their government. mission accomplished or not -- that depends on us. guys, calm down, i’m not saying that people that ‘hurt’ others go to jail in the west. i’m saying people that maliciously damage reputations based on lies do. i’m always been very interested in history, specially US history because they went through so much. Look at what happened in the famous ‘mccarthy era’.. Joseph mccarthy accused people of being communists (high profile and low profile people)…public sentament and fear took over, and the people accused weren’t given a chance to prove they weren’t communists. THAT’S what happens when people like Mccarthy and Abbadi are allowed to make up malicious deceitful lies.

It’s called libel. It’s called slander. and in every developed civilization, laws exist to protect people against libel and slander.

The Observer, you call him insane. I don’t think he’s insane. He is vicious and intent on creating rifts between people and their government. mission accomplished or not — that depends on us.

]]> By: The Observer http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-93057 The Observer Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:07:54 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-93057 anonymous @3:26 am, since when people get jailed for lies? If that is the case, we should create a big seige around the entire earth and held us all hostage for our lies! Your freedom stops when others' starts is applicable on actions not words. What you say that it is okay to restrict a person's words just because someone's else feelings might get hurt! You know what, people's feelings always got hurt without anyone intentionally doing so. This guy is insane. As Batir said, I would place him in a mental hospital rather than jail! just look at the comments on this post, no one believed a word he said, but yet we don't want to see people go to jail because of their speech, no matter how bad their speech sounds. anonymous @3:26 am, since when people get jailed for lies? If that is the case, we should create a big seige around the entire earth and held us all hostage for our lies!

Your freedom stops when others’ starts is applicable on actions not words.

What you say that it is okay to restrict a person’s words just because someone’s else feelings might get hurt! You know what, people’s feelings always got hurt without anyone intentionally doing so.

This guy is insane. As Batir said, I would place him in a mental hospital rather than jail! just look at the comments on this post, no one believed a word he said, but yet we don’t want to see people go to jail because of their speech, no matter how bad their speech sounds.

]]> By: alurdunialhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-93016 alurdunialhurr Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:25:40 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-93016 I just can't believe the level of ignorance i read on this blog, anonymous @3:26 am,if the US government adopt your way of thinking two thirds of US population will be sent to jail. Wake up people and know your rights before its too late. I just can’t believe the level of ignorance i read on this blog,
anonymous @3:26 am,if the US government adopt your way of thinking two thirds of US population will be sent to jail.
Wake up people and know your rights before its too late.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92972 anonymous Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:26:52 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92972 hi blackiris and co... been checking out your blog frequently, but never thought to reply. this times is different though because something i just read really caught my attention. Rafiq says "freedom of speech was invented for the sole purpose of protecting the weak from the strong." i've heard a beautiful saying one time: your freedom to swing your hand ends where my nose begins. this means that you can say whatever you want as long as it doesnnot hurt me (when undeserved and unfounded). this is the basis of freedom of speech in every free society. i am sad and disappointed that people can defend abbadi as a 'free speaker'! he made outrageious shocking claims against so many people. if he had actually been able to back those claims up, then the whole 'free speech' argument would apply. but he didn't offer one bit of evidence. just because you choose to attack an official doesn't mean that it is labeled free speech. if someone attacked my father the way abbadi attacked the interior minister- by making LIES about him- then i would hope that someone would go to jail. that is protection not for elite, not for government, but for reputation. people shouldn't be allowed to make up things about each other. blackiris, i thought you had more vision that this. how sad that you don't see it with depth and perspective. hi blackiris and co… been checking out your blog frequently, but never thought to reply. this times is different though because something i just read really caught my attention. Rafiq says “freedom of speech was invented for the sole purpose of protecting the weak from the strong.” i’ve heard a beautiful saying one time: your freedom to swing your hand ends where my nose begins. this means that you can say whatever you want as long as it doesnnot hurt me (when undeserved and unfounded). this is the basis of freedom of speech in every free society.

i am sad and disappointed that people can defend abbadi as a ‘free speaker’! he made outrageious shocking claims against so many people. if he had actually been able to back those claims up, then the whole ‘free speech’ argument would apply. but he didn’t offer one bit of evidence.

just because you choose to attack an official doesn’t mean that it is labeled free speech. if someone attacked my father the way abbadi attacked the interior minister- by making LIES about him- then i would hope that someone would go to jail. that is protection not for elite, not for government, but for reputation. people shouldn’t be allowed to make up things about each other.

blackiris, i thought you had more vision that this. how sad that you don’t see it with depth and perspective.

]]> By: Rafiq http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92921 Rafiq Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:37:57 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92921 Batir, you never fail to shock me. you call yourfelf a socialist democrat? freedom of speech was invented for the sole purpose of protecting the weak from the strong. had you endorsed his imprisonment for national unity reasons I would have at least admired your reasoning. i think i despise Abbadi more than you do, me being a Jordanian Palestinian. but I strongly oppose his imprisonment in this case. no one should go to jail for criticizing powerful public figures. but I agree, this is not about protecting national unity. i would have supported punitive measures against hate speech that fosters instability, along the lines of measures taken against Nazis in some EU countries. But this not going to happen in Jordan since the Jordanian regime supports and encourages disunity as part of a more comprehensive divide and conquer strategy. That's why they have stood silent when Abbadi was spewing forth his divisive Nazi-like hate for years. Batir, you never fail to shock me. you call yourfelf a socialist democrat? freedom of speech was invented for the sole purpose of protecting the weak from the strong. had you endorsed his imprisonment for national unity reasons I would have at least admired your reasoning.

i think i despise Abbadi more than you do, me being a Jordanian Palestinian. but I strongly oppose his imprisonment in this case. no one should go to jail for criticizing powerful public figures.

but I agree, this is not about protecting national unity. i would have supported punitive measures against hate speech that fosters instability, along the lines of measures taken against Nazis in some EU countries.

But this not going to happen in Jordan since the Jordanian regime supports and encourages disunity as part of a more comprehensive divide and conquer strategy. That’s why they have stood silent when Abbadi was spewing forth his divisive Nazi-like hate for years.

]]> By: Mohanned http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92899 Mohanned Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:28:07 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92899 Batir, I completly understand what you're saying, but the case aginst him is not by the queen or basem awadalla! He was accused of slandering the country, and the country is more than 2 people, it is like 5.5 million people! Now, "What" is slandering(Hurting the reputation of) the country more, his imprisonmenmt or him being free? Who did more harm to jordan, the zarqa terrorists on MSNBC and BBC or owiedi? Who did more harm to jordan's reputation: "Honor" killings or owiedi? Batir it is obvious that this was "tesfayet 7sabat", if the abbadi tribe made their voice heard in ways that others do, then maybe the we wouldn't be having this conversation. What do you think about those arguments? Are they logical? Batir,
I completly understand what you’re saying, but the case aginst him is not by the queen or basem awadalla! He was accused of slandering the country, and the country is more than 2 people, it is like 5.5 million people!

Now, “What” is slandering(Hurting the reputation of) the country more, his imprisonmenmt or him being free?

Who did more harm to jordan, the zarqa terrorists on MSNBC and BBC or owiedi?

Who did more harm to jordan’s reputation: “Honor” killings or owiedi?

Batir it is obvious that this was “tesfayet 7sabat”, if the abbadi tribe made their voice heard in ways that others do, then maybe the we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

What do you think about those arguments? Are they logical?

]]> By: Batir Wardam http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92897 Batir Wardam Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:18:18 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92897 I hope you do not turn this into another Palestinian-Jordanian dichotomy case. Owedi claimed in his letter to Congress that both Queen Rania and Basem Awadallah are supporters of Hamas and Fateh and they support terrorism. For me this is complete insanity that needs to send him into Al Rasheed hospital and not jail to be a hero. As for Zarqawi tribute, please remember that Abdul Karem Doghmi did visit the Zarqawi "condolences party" and got away with it. For me he should've been in Jafr just like Abu Faris and Co. I hope you do not turn this into another Palestinian-Jordanian dichotomy case. Owedi claimed in his letter to Congress that both Queen Rania and Basem Awadallah are supporters of Hamas and Fateh and they support terrorism. For me this is complete insanity that needs to send him into Al Rasheed hospital and not jail to be a hero.
As for Zarqawi tribute, please remember that Abdul Karem Doghmi did visit the Zarqawi “condolences party” and got away with it. For me he should’ve been in Jafr just like Abu Faris and Co.

]]> By: Mohanned http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92895 Mohanned Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:04:53 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92895 But the case against him is not by the queen, it is by the "interior" minister! I didn't read what he said and I don't care, what I care about is that all of this is just bogus and hypocrisy, maybe abu odeh and bani rasheed send hidden messages and don't say it directlty but we all know what they mean. Zay ma begooloha el jama3a ga3deen bela7'moo, there are many other way to encapsulate him, but to do it this way is just sad! It is sad because our so called judicial system became a tool in the hands of some people to take revenge from some while ignoring others(Maybe because they fear their bases).. What we hear outside of jordan about us becoming the oasis of democracy where the freedom of speech has no limits is not what we see on the ground! If we want to sue, we should sue those who didn't keep their promises, we should sue those who build dreams then take them away... Salam! But the case against him is not by the queen, it is by the “interior” minister! I didn’t read what he said and I don’t care, what I care about is that all of this is just bogus and hypocrisy, maybe abu odeh and bani rasheed send hidden messages and don’t say it directlty but we all know what they mean.

Zay ma begooloha el jama3a ga3deen bela7′moo, there are many other way to encapsulate him, but to do it this way is just sad!

It is sad because our so called judicial system became a tool in the hands of some people to take revenge from some while ignoring others(Maybe because they fear their bases)..

What we hear outside of jordan about us becoming the oasis of democracy where the freedom of speech has no limits is not what we see on the ground! If we want to sue, we should sue those who didn’t keep their promises, we should sue those who build dreams then take them away…

Salam!

]]> By: alurdunialhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92894 alurdunialhurr Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:03:50 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92894 When Abadi was criticizing the Palestinians in Jordan which I disagree with him wholeheartedly,the government said nothing and did nothing about him till he started talking about the corruption of the Royal Court cronies ,they turned around and fabricated some bogus accusation to silence him. When Abadi was criticizing the Palestinians in Jordan which I disagree with him wholeheartedly,the government said nothing and did nothing about him till he started talking about the corruption of the Royal Court cronies ,they turned around and fabricated some bogus accusation to silence him.

]]> By: Mohanned http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92891 Mohanned Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:51:43 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92891 This just came to my mind... Remember the "brotherhood" members who paid tribute to zarqawi? Remember those who never condemned any act of terror wether on jordanian soil or abroad? What are those? Is owaide more dangerous than them? What about some people who do pilgrimage to damascus and pray to gazza while sometimes having a ramadan iftar in the iranian embassy in amman? Lets forget all of this and talk about his age! How old is he? 50 or 60 years old? Is there no respect for the elderly? The problem is that the "prime minister" is Abbadi! Anyway, is it eid yet in amman? If so Happy eid, if not also happy eid! This just came to my mind… Remember the “brotherhood” members who paid tribute to zarqawi? Remember those who never condemned any act of terror wether on jordanian soil or abroad? What are those? Is owaide more dangerous than them?

What about some people who do pilgrimage to damascus and pray to gazza while sometimes having a ramadan iftar in the iranian embassy in amman?

Lets forget all of this and talk about his age! How old is he? 50 or 60 years old? Is there no respect for the elderly?

The problem is that the “prime minister” is Abbadi!

Anyway, is it eid yet in amman? If so Happy eid, if not also happy eid!

]]> By: Azzam http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92890 Azzam Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:46:38 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92890 muhanad, if you read what Abbadi said he actually attacked the queen and accused her of supporting terrorism. what he says about Jordanians of Palestinian origin is even more hateful. no one, not ibn irsheed not abu odeh said anything remotely close to Abbadi. He is a fascist, the equivalent to a neo-nazi. that being said, i am also in favor of not imprisoning him. why make a martyr out of a scoundrel. muhanad, if you read what Abbadi said he actually attacked the queen and accused her of supporting terrorism. what he says about Jordanians of Palestinian origin is even more hateful.

no one, not ibn irsheed not abu odeh said anything remotely close to Abbadi. He is a fascist, the equivalent to a neo-nazi.

that being said, i am also in favor of not imprisoning him. why make a martyr out of a scoundrel.

]]> By: Mohanned http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92873 Mohanned Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:50:21 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92873 This is sad, it is hypocrisy! Abu odeh got away with what he said, Zaki bani rasheed got away with what he said and many many more got away with more than what oweidi said! Naseem, if this is how you feel, imagine how he feels or his family and his tribe(The ones with some dignity left that is). And they ask and wonder where terror comes from! King hussien god bless his soul, would have went to his jail cell and took him in his car to his family tonight.. Alla yer7amo.. This is sad, it is hypocrisy! Abu odeh got away with what he said, Zaki bani rasheed got away with what he said and many many more got away with more than what oweidi said!

Naseem, if this is how you feel, imagine how he feels or his family and his tribe(The ones with some dignity left that is).

And they ask and wonder where terror comes from!

King hussien god bless his soul, would have went to his jail cell and took him in his car to his family tonight..

Alla yer7amo..

]]> By: Azzam http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92870 Azzam Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:36:29 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/11/oweidi-goes-directly-to-jail-does-not-pass-go/#comment-92870 Take it easy man. You are too young to give up. Take it easy man. You are too young to give up.

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