Comments on: Return Of The Second Tower http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/ A Jordanian Blog Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:56:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Batir Wardam http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-98143 Batir Wardam Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:07:16 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-98143 You need media outlets that are not taken hostages by the advertisement power of Zain and Orange. If you can write in Jordan Business then it is fine. On the other hand, file a complaint at the Ministry of Environment. propably no action will be taken but I can tell you to call the coalition of the environmental NGOs in Jordan and maybe trigger a campaign against the two companies. I am afraid there are no regulations for the mobile phones towers in Jordan yet. Only a wide campaign will force the governemnt to take actions. I will be back with more practical suggestions later after asking some experts. You need media outlets that are not taken hostages by the advertisement power of Zain and Orange. If you can write in Jordan Business then it is fine. On the other hand, file a complaint at the Ministry of Environment. propably no action will be taken but I can tell you to call the coalition of the environmental NGOs in Jordan and maybe trigger a campaign against the two companies.
I am afraid there are no regulations for the mobile phones towers in Jordan yet. Only a wide campaign will force the governemnt to take actions. I will be back with more practical suggestions later after asking some experts.

]]> By: mo http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-98138 mo Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:43:35 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-98138 someone needs to pull a 9/11 on those two towers someone needs to pull a 9/11 on those two towers

]]> By: 7aki Fadi http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97896 7aki Fadi Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:42:30 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97896 lol Ola: He has Ummi on his forehead? Out of this world HAHAHAH lol Ola: He has Ummi on his forehead? Out of this world HAHAHAH

]]> By: Khalid Jarrar http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97786 Khalid Jarrar Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:46:15 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97786 yeah, see this is the problem of living in a safe country, in iraq for example nobody would dare do this to you, because they know that if you got mad enough you would RPG the hell out of them hahahahah :D too bad we dont have any of these toys in Jordan :P :P :P yeah, see this is the problem of living in a safe country, in iraq for example nobody would dare do this to you, because they know that if you got mad enough you would RPG the hell out of them hahahahah :D

too bad we dont have any of these toys in Jordan :P :P :P

]]> By: Firas http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97595 Firas Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:10:05 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97595 Call Al Ghad newspaper or Batir Wardam could help. Send your story in Arabic to AmmanNet,AmmonNews and other website of this kind. I'm not for "plan B", is there some dude in your Harra running for the parliament? You have now something to bargain with your vote ;). Lawyers? Pass on a petition, or gather some 20-30 old dudes and go to the Muhafeth In Jordan it's all about the group! Just gather as many people as you could and go to the Muhafeth or even a minister. TIP(in case you got too desperate): Go for the Diesel tanks for both the truck and the generator. Just go to El Sab3 and spread the word to the Egyptian workers hanging there (Free Diesel, come now, just hop in, no time for details). Call Al Ghad newspaper or Batir Wardam could help.
Send your story in Arabic to AmmanNet,AmmonNews and other website of this kind.
I’m not for “plan B”, is there some dude in your Harra running for the parliament? You have now something to bargain with your vote ;) . Lawyers? Pass on a petition, or gather some 20-30 old dudes and go to the Muhafeth

In Jordan it’s all about the group! Just gather as many people as you could and go to the Muhafeth or even a minister.

TIP(in case you got too desperate): Go for the Diesel tanks for both the truck and the generator. Just go to El Sab3 and spread the word to the Egyptian workers hanging there (Free Diesel, come now, just hop in, no time for details).

]]> By: ola http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97589 ola Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:30:49 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97589 Yes, swords! One of those guys (names aside for safety purposes) has a tatoo on his forehead, it says "Mother"... I'm dead serious!! I just noticed this has nothing to do with the main topic Yes, swords! One of those guys (names aside for safety purposes) has a tatoo on his forehead, it says “Mother”… I’m dead serious!!

I just noticed this has nothing to do with the main topic

]]> By: Hani Obaid http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97588 Hani Obaid Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:29:19 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97588 Vandalism is illegal and will get you arrested, legal action is expensive and slow. They would respond to bad publicity, perhaps something more than a blog can provide. Maybe you can get this on a radio show, or (unlikely) on one of the 3 main local papers. Alternately, Write a really long expressive email. choose an excellent subject. Go hunting for email addresses of Zain/Orange PR and mangement, don't just copy the jordanian office, go for the French/Kuwaiti HQs as well. Copy any email addresses for complaints and customer relations. Translate the letter to French if you must for Orange HQ. You wouldn't believe what I have accomplished in the past just by emailing the right poeple. once written, start sending it once a week. Vandalism is illegal and will get you arrested, legal action is expensive and slow.

They would respond to bad publicity, perhaps something more than a blog can provide. Maybe you can get this on a radio show, or (unlikely) on one of the 3 main local papers.

Alternately, Write a really long expressive email. choose an excellent subject. Go hunting for email addresses of Zain/Orange PR and mangement, don’t just copy the jordanian office, go for the French/Kuwaiti HQs as well. Copy any email addresses for complaints and customer relations. Translate the letter to French if you must for Orange HQ.

You wouldn’t believe what I have accomplished in the past just by emailing the right poeple.

once written, start sending it once a week.

]]> By: Jad http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97587 Jad Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:27:46 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97587 Dave, Are you referring to something like putting some rats inside the power generator ? that would be extra naughty man. Dave,
Are you referring to something like putting some rats inside the power generator ? that would be extra naughty man.

]]> By: Dave http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97550 Dave Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:05:47 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97550 I'd be tempted to take some non-legal action if I were you. >:) I’d be tempted to take some non-legal action if I were you. >:)

]]> By: AlurduniAlhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97526 AlurduniAlhurr Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:15:58 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97526 Listen Nas,,quick action is not going to solve this dilemma ,you have to take legal action Iam afraid. Listen Nas,,quick action is not going to solve this dilemma ,you have to take legal action Iam afraid.

]]> By: AlurduniAlhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97525 AlurduniAlhurr Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:11:27 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97525 There were similar incidence in my home town,our police department wanted to place communication tower on the top of the police department building, and they had to obtained permit and for them to place those towers on their own building they had to have a public hearing where neighbors and property owners have to vote and discuss and address their concerns ,after almost a years the permit was denied and the project was scraped because the majority of the people that lives close to the tower voted against it. When are we going to have at least relative democracy and accountability ?just when? There were similar incidence in my home town,our police department wanted to place communication tower on the top of the police department building, and they had to obtained permit and for them to place those towers on their own building they had to have a public hearing where neighbors and property owners have to vote and discuss and address their concerns ,after almost a years the permit was denied and the project was scraped because the majority of the people that lives close to the tower voted against it.
When are we going to have at least relative democracy and accountability ?just when?

]]> By: Qwaider قويدر http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97524 Qwaider قويدر Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:09:38 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97524 I gave you the solution before... come on man .. Target practice on thier expensive antenna :D Allah ma3ak I gave you the solution before… come on man .. Target practice on thier expensive antenna :D

Allah ma3ak

]]> By: Noor http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97523 Noor Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:09:05 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97523 Hehehehe, Haram, just quit using their services and change to another company... Hehehehe,
Haram, just quit using their services and change to another company…

]]> By: Nas http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97517 Nas Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:00:11 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97517 globalorama: no vandalism just yet. ola: swords? really? interesting... khaled: indeed! 7aki: yeah, protesting doesn't seem to work with them dandoon: you have a good point. mazz: workin on that alurduni: the land is disputed inheritance, so no known owner as of yet. they dont have permits. going to court would mean being tied up in the legal system for 2 years. im hoping for quicker action than that. globalorama: no vandalism just yet.

ola: swords? really? interesting…

khaled: indeed!

7aki: yeah, protesting doesn’t seem to work with them

dandoon: you have a good point.

mazz: workin on that

alurduni: the land is disputed inheritance, so no known owner as of yet. they dont have permits. going to court would mean being tied up in the legal system for 2 years. im hoping for quicker action than that.

]]> By: AlurduniAlhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97513 AlurduniAlhurr Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:53:44 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97513 First of all, who owns the land in front of your house and did these two companies obtained permits to erect those ugly tower on the adjacent lot? who gave them the permits and which governmental department is responsible and was there any environmental report prior to the placements of those ugly towers? and regarding the policeman ,If I were you ,I would not even bother to ask him or her any question and is there any legal mean you can take to get any remedies? First of all, who owns the land in front of your house and did these two companies obtained permits to erect those ugly tower on the adjacent lot? who gave them the permits and which governmental department is responsible and was there any environmental report prior to the placements of those ugly towers? and regarding the policeman ,If I were you ,I would not even bother to ask him or her any question and is there any legal mean you can take to get any remedies?

]]> By: Mazz http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97503 Mazz Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:10:44 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97503 afham min heik you're an umniah user now? afham min heik you’re an umniah user now?

]]> By: Dandoon http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97502 Dandoon Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:09:23 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97502 The two companies suck regardless of all what we could say. When we moved out to the new house we had no signal for both Fastlink and Mobilecom (back in the days), and to solve the problem they (Fastlink) offered us to plant a tower on the roof of our home and even pay us for it, assuring us that it is completely harmless! Of course we refused because a) that does not make sense b) the towers are hideous! I don’t think legal means are going to do it, nor would 7aki's suggestions, they really don’t care about the citizens feelings, they only care about blurring new users with colorful campaigns and generating more buck! Maybe we can turn this into an issue where candidates in the next elections can have a stand about it. “ Vote for me and I will remove those towers” The two companies suck regardless of all what we could say. When we moved out to the new house we had no signal for both Fastlink and Mobilecom (back in the days), and to solve the problem they (Fastlink) offered us to plant a tower on the roof of our home and even pay us for it, assuring us that it is completely harmless! Of course we refused because a) that does not make sense b) the towers are hideous!
I don’t think legal means are going to do it, nor would 7aki’s suggestions, they really don’t care about the citizens feelings, they only care about blurring new users with colorful campaigns and generating more buck!
Maybe we can turn this into an issue where candidates in the next elections can have a stand about it. “ Vote for me and I will remove those towers”

]]> By: 7aki Fadi http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97499 7aki Fadi Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:52:09 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97499 Spray paint the truck with: " Zain and Orange suck ass" or or let me see, hmmm: " Zain and Orange are polluting the airwaves" Apparently these waves are actually harmful, they banned those antennas in all of Israel in residential areas, I read it on Haratez and remembered you but was too lazy to link it. By the way, who owns this piece of land? I suggest maybe putting a huge billboard right next to them bashing the 2 companies , it should say: " Citizens are sick of Zain and Orange " or” of Zain and Orange stop the bullying NOW” I think this is more legal than spray painting them, or is it? I don't know. I will let you know if I come up with better ideas. Spray paint the truck with:

” Zain and Orange suck ass”

or or let me see, hmmm:

” Zain and Orange are polluting the airwaves”

Apparently these waves are actually harmful, they banned those antennas in all of Israel in residential areas, I read it on Haratez and remembered you but was too lazy to link it.

By the way, who owns this piece of land? I suggest maybe putting a huge billboard right next to them bashing the 2 companies , it should say:
” Citizens are sick of Zain and Orange ” or” of Zain and Orange stop the bullying NOW”

I think this is more legal than spray painting them, or is it? I don’t know.

I will let you know if I come up with better ideas.

]]> By: Khaled http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97496 Khaled Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:43:29 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97496 Lord Nasim and the Two Towers. :D Lord Nasim and the Two Towers. :D

]]> By: ola http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97473 ola Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:14:19 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97473 Seems liek someone is taking matters into their own hands... Now, you can do it the "traditional" way. I'll get you an itroduction to this guy I know, who knows some very nice guys who are very helpful in their own way, they call them "The Chorus". They also happen to have some pretty tough cell mates who will be willing to help. Zain and Orange will be hsitory in one raid. Just one phone call and those guys will show up at your door with swords (seriously, swords!) ready for anything. You just need to expand your circle of acquaintance... Now, I've given you the ultimate solution, fire with fire. If you insist on being a good citizen, then inta 7or Seems liek someone is taking matters into their own hands…

Now, you can do it the “traditional” way. I’ll get you an itroduction to this guy I know, who knows some very nice guys who are very helpful in their own way, they call them “The Chorus”. They also happen to have some pretty tough cell mates who will be willing to help. Zain and Orange will be hsitory in one raid. Just one phone call and those guys will show up at your door with swords (seriously, swords!) ready for anything. You just need to expand your circle of acquaintance…

Now, I’ve given you the ultimate solution, fire with fire. If you insist on being a good citizen, then inta 7or

]]> By: globalorama http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97467 globalorama Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:50:24 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/10/29/return-of-the-second-tower/#comment-97467 cut the wires at night. cut the wires at night.

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