Comments on: Foreigners In Their Own Land | Jordanian Women & Hereditary Citizenship http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/ A Jordanian Blog Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:59:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Racist Israel strips non-Jews of rights - Page 6 - The Political Hotwire http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-119166 Racist Israel strips non-Jews of rights - Page 6 - The Political Hotwire Wed, 07 May 2008 18:07:39 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-119166 [...] to hold your land and own it if you are not Muslim. My references for the above can be found at: http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizen... http://www.state.gov/e/eeb/ifd/2006/62004.htm Al-Quds Al-Arabi (London), (December 4, 1999). [...] […] to hold your land and own it if you are not Muslim. My references for the above can be found at: http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizen… http://www.state.gov/e/eeb/ifd/2006/62004.htm Al-Quds Al-Arabi (London), (December 4, 1999). […]

]]> By: Joranian at Heart http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-113051 Joranian at Heart Sat, 15 Mar 2008 05:38:06 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-113051 What a great Issue, I like your article very much, it is very informative, I was searching Jordanian Citizenship and came to your site. My comment is: I wish someone in the Jordanian government would respond to why, even though her majesty the queen’s decree, granted Jordanian mothers the right to pass their citizenship to their children was confirmed in majless alnuwab to become law, Jordanian mothers with (Jordanian Children) called by some government officials in the ministry of interior, can’t pursue giving their children their right under the granted decree. What a great Issue,
I like your article very much, it is very informative, I was searching Jordanian Citizenship and came to your site.
My comment is: I wish someone in the Jordanian government would respond to why, even though her majesty the queen’s decree, granted Jordanian mothers the right to pass their citizenship to their children was confirmed in majless alnuwab to become law, Jordanian mothers with (Jordanian Children) called by some government officials in the ministry of interior, can’t pursue giving their children their right under the granted decree.

]]> By: long live jordan http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110598 long live jordan Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:25:58 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110598 Umm zaid I think you are missing my point. You are correct I do not live in Jordan but I have relatives that do live there and pay taxes. By the way both my parents are Jordanian and I carry the passport as well. Although I was born and raised in the states I am very tied to JOrdan and my family have done great things for the country. I am upset at the fact that these people who live in Jordan show no apprection whatsoever for Jordan. I am also sick of being considered a minority when I go to Jordan. Jordanians are the minority in their own country. I want to know why don't you people ever complain about how other arab countries treat you especially ones you evolved from . Umm zaid I have come to Jordan and tried to make a difference. Also all you people who say negative things about Jordan never forget the saying do not bite the hand that feeds you. Umm zaid I think you are missing my point. You are correct I do not live in Jordan but I have relatives that do live there and pay taxes. By the way both my parents are Jordanian and I carry the passport as well. Although I was born and raised in the states I am very tied to JOrdan and my family have done great things for the country. I am upset at the fact that these people who live in Jordan show no apprection whatsoever for Jordan. I am also sick of being considered a minority when I go to Jordan. Jordanians are the minority in their own country. I want to know why don’t you people ever complain about how other arab countries treat you especially ones you evolved from . Umm zaid I have come to Jordan and tried to make a difference. Also all you people who say negative things about Jordan never forget the saying do not bite the hand that feeds you.

]]> By: Umm Zaid http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110487 Umm Zaid Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:45:53 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110487 Salaam 'Alaikum The law is racist, and it is sexist. Either men and women are equal under this constitution or they are not. And in today's Jordan, women are not equal, period. When I can pass on my citizenship, and own a gun, and not have to worry that some joker who kills me in the name of honor will spend 2 days in jail, then I might feel differently. "Long Live Jordan," if you were born and raised in the USA, why are you so concerned about a society you're not living in or contributing to? I'm an immigrant here. I work and pay taxes to the Jordanian government. You don't. (I am, btw, a Jordanian citizen). If you're so concerned about what's going on here, why don't you come here and try to make a difference? Salaam ‘Alaikum

The law is racist, and it is sexist. Either men and women are equal under this constitution or they are not. And in today’s Jordan, women are not equal, period. When I can pass on my citizenship, and own a gun, and not have to worry that some joker who kills me in the name of honor will spend 2 days in jail, then I might feel differently.

“Long Live Jordan,” if you were born and raised in the USA, why are you so concerned about a society you’re not living in or contributing to? I’m an immigrant here. I work and pay taxes to the Jordanian government. You don’t. (I am, btw, a Jordanian citizen). If you’re so concerned about what’s going on here, why don’t you come here and try to make a difference?

]]> By: long live jordan http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110413 long live jordan Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:22:01 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110413 I think Jordan immigration laws are too leanant. We need to have stricter laws prohibiting immigrants to come into Jordan. Everyone of these immigrants complains about Jordan when in fact we treat them better from their orginal country. Jobs taken by the outsiders should be given and left for Jordanians. I live in the USA and I am sick of all these people not giving any appreciation for Jordan. When in jordan they say they are jordanian but once they are in the usa oh no i am not jordanian i am pali or from israel. I also feel jordan's crime has went up due to the high population of immigrants. Everytime something goes wrong in a country we just have to bring them to Jordan and treat them better than Jordanians. I wish they would just show a little more gratitude toward Jordan. I traveled to many arab countries: Egypt,UAE,Lebanon,Syria,Egypt and of course Jordan. Each one theses countries I felt like an outisder because I am not Egyption,Leb, neither Syrian but I am Jordanian and for me to feel like I am a minority where my ancestorers established their life is total crap. I was born and raised and the USA and very grateful ! I just do not understand why these immigrants cannot do the same. I think Jordan immigration laws are too leanant. We need to have stricter laws prohibiting immigrants to come into Jordan. Everyone of these immigrants complains about Jordan when in fact we treat them better from their orginal country. Jobs taken by the outsiders should be given and left for Jordanians. I live in the USA and I am sick of all these people not giving any appreciation for Jordan. When in jordan they say they are jordanian but once they are in the usa oh no i am not jordanian i am pali or from israel. I also feel jordan’s crime has went up due to the high population of immigrants. Everytime something goes wrong in a country we just have to bring them to Jordan and treat them better than Jordanians. I wish they would just show a little more gratitude toward Jordan. I traveled to many arab countries: Egypt,UAE,Lebanon,Syria,Egypt and of course Jordan. Each one theses countries I felt like an outisder because I am not Egyption,Leb, neither Syrian but I am Jordanian and for me to feel like I am a minority where my ancestorers established their life is total crap. I was born and raised and the USA and very grateful ! I just do not understand why these immigrants cannot do the same.

]]> By: Maha http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110391 Maha Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:12:28 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110391 No one ever offers a solution to this problem. Nas you and others speak of this as a problem specific to Jordan which is not true, i have tons of stories about those married to Americans who were deported, left out for months or years until their visas and status issues are resolved. Remember when a few years ago, it was discussed to give Palestinians in Jordan citizenship, people screamed bloody murder accusing Jordan of wiping out the Palestinian identity, making everyone Jordanian so Palestinians lose the right to return blah blah blah ....i7tarna ya gar3a mnain nboosek No one ever offers a solution to this problem. Nas you and others speak of this as a problem specific to Jordan which is not true, i have tons of stories about those married to Americans who were deported, left out for months or years until their visas and status issues are resolved.

Remember when a few years ago, it was discussed to give Palestinians in Jordan citizenship, people screamed bloody murder accusing Jordan of wiping out the Palestinian identity, making everyone Jordanian so Palestinians lose the right to return blah blah blah ….i7tarna ya gar3a mnain nboosek

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Jordan: Film Festivals, Citizenship Law and More http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110345 Global Voices Online » Jordan: Film Festivals, Citizenship Law and More Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:46:47 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110345 [...] on that here and [...] […] on that here and […]

]]> By: Sam http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110344 Sam Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:14:28 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110344 It took me 5 years to become an American citizen. May be we need to to start comparing the Arabs to such "WORLD" and not other Arab States! It took me 5 years to become an American citizen. May be we need to to start comparing the Arabs to such “WORLD” and not other Arab States!

]]> By: Nas http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110336 Nas Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:13:26 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110336 <b>Ammar:</b> I think what stephen said was more along the lines of what i was thinking. <b>Masalha1:</b> i'm not aware of the laws in every arab country but i know for a fact that egypt and morocco allow women to pass on citizenship to their children. moreover, our incessant need to compare ourselves to the rest of the "Arab world" will always keep us from progressing anywhere; satisfied with saying "they are worse than us" or "everyone else is doing it". Ammar: I think what stephen said was more along the lines of what i was thinking.

Masalha1: i’m not aware of the laws in every arab country but i know for a fact that egypt and morocco allow women to pass on citizenship to their children. moreover, our incessant need to compare ourselves to the rest of the “Arab world” will always keep us from progressing anywhere; satisfied with saying “they are worse than us” or “everyone else is doing it”.

]]> By: masalha1 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110332 masalha1 Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:38:03 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110332 Nas, You more than any one should know that this law applies in the entir Arab world, it was approved by the councel of the Arab interior ministers ( something like that ), so if a Jordanian get married to a Saudi or kuwaity woman, he and his children do not become Saudis or kuwaities or what have you, below is the link to Jordanian women citizenship laws. http://www.pogar.org/publications/gender/nationality/jordan-legal-a.pdf The fact is not only Jordan has this law but many other Arab countries, and it was solely designed by Arab governments for political reasons. Nas,
You more than any one should know that this law applies in the entir Arab world, it was approved by the councel of the Arab interior ministers ( something like that ), so if a Jordanian get married to a Saudi or kuwaity woman, he and his children do not become Saudis or kuwaities or what have you, below is the link to Jordanian women citizenship laws.
http://www.pogar.org/publications/gender/nationality/jordan-legal-a.pdf
The fact is not only Jordan has this law but many other Arab countries, and it was solely designed by Arab governments for political reasons.

]]> By: moi http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110330 moi Sat, 29 Dec 2007 02:58:55 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110330 I was aware of this issue and it's a concern to me because I'm marrying a non-Jordanian. I want my children to be able to visit Jordan freely and without any obstacles, but I realize that will not happen any time soon. The issue raised here with concern to Palestinians is something I was completely unaware of. It must be addressed for the sake of those children, and the children of many other Jordanian women who will be deprived of this "privilege". I was aware of this issue and it’s a concern to me because I’m marrying a non-Jordanian. I want my children to be able to visit Jordan freely and without any obstacles, but I realize that will not happen any time soon. The issue raised here with concern to Palestinians is something I was completely unaware of. It must be addressed for the sake of those children, and the children of many other Jordanian women who will be deprived of this “privilege”.

]]> By: asoom http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110329 asoom Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:17:31 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110329 You make a good point, this law could be a future disaster in the making and is reminding me of the less severe but also disturbing illegal immigrant situation with hispanics in the US where they're denied emergency medical treatment at the ER and work overtime for under minimum wage. On a different yet somewhat related note: My mom who is of palestinian origin was never granted jordanian citizenship although she is married to a full-blooded jordanian. We (the children) didn't have a porblem getting it around 10 years ago (via my dad) but for some reason that she's not sure of it didn't work out for my mom. You make a good point, this law could be a future disaster in the making and is reminding me of the less severe but also disturbing illegal immigrant situation with hispanics in the US where they’re denied emergency medical treatment at the ER and work overtime for under minimum wage.

On a different yet somewhat related note: My mom who is of palestinian origin was never granted jordanian citizenship although she is married to a full-blooded jordanian. We (the children) didn’t have a porblem getting it around 10 years ago (via my dad) but for some reason that she’s not sure of it didn’t work out for my mom.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110328 Stephen Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:54:44 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110328 Surely a large number of the 500,000 Palestinians are studying or working in Jordan as they probably have legal residency so should these folks not be just given citizenship as it probably wouldn't make much difference in their case Surely a large number of the 500,000 Palestinians are studying or working in Jordan as they probably have legal residency so should these folks not be just given citizenship as it probably wouldn’t make much difference in their case

]]> By: alia http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110323 alia Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:29:57 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110323 I am one of those 'offspring' affected by this stupid law. Two summers ago, when I attempted fixing my passport problem at various Jordanian authorities, I was told again and again ' We can't help you, your father is Palestinian'. 'Your father is a criminal' is what it seemed like they were really saying. I just couldn't help feeling offended. Thanks for posting this Nas. I am one of those ‘offspring’ affected by this stupid law. Two summers ago, when I attempted fixing my passport problem at various Jordanian authorities, I was told again and again ‘ We can’t help you, your father is Palestinian’. ‘Your father is a criminal’ is what it seemed like they were really saying. I just couldn’t help feeling offended. Thanks for posting this Nas.

]]> By: Ammar http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110322 Ammar Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:03:35 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110322 very well nas written but you didn't suggest any solution to the problem? Giving these people citizenship would solve part of their problems right?! What about the government? Can our state suddenly sign a law that would increase our official population by half a million consider the consquences? Medical care,Ma3ooneh Watanieh, Education,Demographics Etc... The other day i was reading an article that states Jordan is going to suffer what you might call a Human Bomb After 15 years in which our resources cant handle the load of people!!(we have one of the highest birth rates in the world) it is not racism its just simple that our state cant handle it!! I think one of the ways that would try to solve their problem is by considiring them as a special case and helping them in terms of medical care especially the poor families and try to ease their problems,maybe a by joint cooperation between our government and the unrwa for example!!! very well nas written but you didn’t suggest any solution to the problem?
Giving these people citizenship would solve part of their problems right?!
What about the government?
Can our state suddenly sign a law that would increase our official population by half a million consider the consquences? Medical care,Ma3ooneh Watanieh, Education,Demographics Etc…
The other day i was reading an article that states Jordan is going to suffer what you might call a Human Bomb After 15 years in which our resources cant handle the load of people!!(we have one of the highest birth rates in the world)
it is not racism its just simple that our state cant handle it!!
I think one of the ways that would try to solve their problem is by considiring them as a special case and helping them in terms of medical care especially the poor families and try to ease their problems,maybe a by joint cooperation between our government and the unrwa for example!!!

]]> By: abu daoud http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110320 abu daoud Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:30:29 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110320 Very well-written. You make your point well and I am now convinced that this law is both illogical and unethical. Very well-written. You make your point well and I am now convinced that this law is both illogical and unethical.

]]> By: mo http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110319 mo Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:40:26 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110319 الأشقاء العرب الأشقاء العرب

]]> By: AlurduniAlhurr http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110318 AlurduniAlhurr Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:16:15 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110318 It is simply called racism and the fear of the so called "baljeky" (Palestinians) descendants that one day,the government has to admit that overwhelming majority of people of Jordan are palestinian descendant ,and that fact by it's self will send shiver to the spine of "our" government and reveal the hidden agenda behind this racist law...... It is simply called racism and the fear of the so called “baljeky” (Palestinians) descendants that one day,the government has to admit that overwhelming majority of people of Jordan are palestinian descendant ,and that fact by it’s self will send shiver to the spine of “our” government and reveal the hidden agenda behind this racist law……

]]> By: regular reader http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110315 regular reader Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:31:54 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110315 Although not anywhere near as tragic as the plight of Palestinians, I have a friend who is married to an Egyptian. They lived here for several years, and on a recent trip back from Egypt he was returned back at the border and not allowed to return for four months. Without help from the royal family, who knows how long it would have been. There are several Egyptian pastors, all married to Jordanian women and long term residents of Jordan (one 15 years, one 28 years, the others I don't know), who were deported in the last year as well. These families, in order to live together, were forced to move to Egypt. Even with fairly high level police wasta, there was no reversal of the decision. Others married to non-Jordanian Arabs are afraid to leave the country even for a visit. Do other countries in the region have this law? Although not anywhere near as tragic as the plight of Palestinians, I have a friend who is married to an Egyptian. They lived here for several years, and on a recent trip back from Egypt he was returned back at the border and not allowed to return for four months. Without help from the royal family, who knows how long it would have been.

There are several Egyptian pastors, all married to Jordanian women and long term residents of Jordan (one 15 years, one 28 years, the others I don’t know), who were deported in the last year as well. These families, in order to live together, were forced to move to Egypt. Even with fairly high level police wasta, there was no reversal of the decision. Others married to non-Jordanian Arabs are afraid to leave the country even for a visit.

Do other countries in the region have this law?

]]> By: Umm Ali http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110314 Umm Ali Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:39:43 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2007/12/28/foreigners-in-their-own-land-jordanian-women-hereditary-citizenship/#comment-110314 I have been living this story for the past 5 years. My husband is Palestinian who had a Jordanian passport, The problem is it expired and he never renewed it, nor is the Jordanian goverment willing to renew it now. So everyyear we have to renew our temporary residence cards which take 2 months since they want to know who the father is and what is his nationality,(The only passport he carries is an American one). Everyyear they want proof(paper proof I dont understand why they have computer in the goverment offices since they dont use them and all my paper work gets thrown out and they ask for it again). My husbands greatest fear is one day they will tells us sorry we cant renew you permits and you have to leave. I have been living this story for the past 5 years. My husband is Palestinian who had a Jordanian passport, The problem is it expired and he never renewed it, nor is the Jordanian goverment willing to renew it now. So everyyear we have to renew our temporary residence cards which take 2 months since they want to know who the father is and what is his nationality,(The only passport he carries is an American one). Everyyear they want proof(paper proof I dont understand why they have computer in the goverment offices since they dont use them and all my paper work gets thrown out and they ask for it again). My husbands greatest fear is one day they will tells us sorry we cant renew you permits and you have to leave.

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