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	<title>Comments on: What Jordanian Unions Have Been Up To Lately</title>
	<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/</link>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112324</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;hareega:&lt;/b&gt; members of some unions do get some benefits. but if unions could prove themselves as a natural lobbeying entity in the country, they could be all the more powerful.

&lt;b&gt;mo:&lt;/b&gt; that about sums it up on the "what is" angle. my post was more about "what should be"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>hareega:</b> members of some unions do get some benefits. but if unions could prove themselves as a natural lobbeying entity in the country, they could be all the more powerful.</p>
<p><b>mo:</b> that about sums it up on the &#8220;what is&#8221; angle. my post was more about &#8220;what should be&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112322</link>
		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ya i agree with u but i just dont see them taking on the govt like that .. so they will just continue to condemn israel and denmark to distract ppl from the fact that they are too scared to take any action regarding real labor issues because they lack the balls</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ya i agree with u but i just dont see them taking on the govt like that .. so they will just continue to condemn israel and denmark to distract ppl from the fact that they are too scared to take any action regarding real labor issues because they lack the balls</p>
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		<title>By: Hareega</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112317</link>
		<dc:creator>Hareega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure we deserve better than this, or that unions are acting against the will of their members. They're all elected by members, and the turnout in elections for unions is better than that of the Jordanian Parliament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure we deserve better than this, or that unions are acting against the will of their members. They&#8217;re all elected by members, and the turnout in elections for unions is better than that of the Jordanian Parliament.</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112299</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Markus:&lt;/b&gt; on the contrary. what i'm saying is that issues such as Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon and even Darfur, should be foreign to &lt;i&gt;unions&lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;b&gt;Ammar:&lt;/b&gt; "the thing is our unions is currently mostly by islamists and the islamists in jordan are mostly run by pro Hamas wing " I think this is a misleading statement, or at the very least a hasty generalization.

&lt;b&gt;mo:&lt;/b&gt; considering their mere size they have a major sway when it comes to representing worker issues. heck, if they have some sway with foreign policy where all their efforts seem to be concentrated, then they're likely to have it with domestic public policy, or at the very least rights. as for organized strikes. unions have to get licenses in order to stage these sort of events, just like the IAF gets a license to stage a demonstration every few Fridays. however, since both you and i are smart enough to know that they likelihood of them being granted such a licence is slim, we would have to pay heed to some history, which suggests that the strongest unions, and the most powerful socialist forces, have never emerged with the licensing of the government. in most cases, they've developed despite it. that's where their power lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Markus:</b> on the contrary. what i&#8217;m saying is that issues such as Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon and even Darfur, should be foreign to <i>unions</i>.</p>
<p><b>Ammar:</b> &#8220;the thing is our unions is currently mostly by islamists and the islamists in jordan are mostly run by pro Hamas wing &#8221; I think this is a misleading statement, or at the very least a hasty generalization.</p>
<p><b>mo:</b> considering their mere size they have a major sway when it comes to representing worker issues. heck, if they have some sway with foreign policy where all their efforts seem to be concentrated, then they&#8217;re likely to have it with domestic public policy, or at the very least rights. as for organized strikes. unions have to get licenses in order to stage these sort of events, just like the IAF gets a license to stage a demonstration every few Fridays. however, since both you and i are smart enough to know that they likelihood of them being granted such a licence is slim, we would have to pay heed to some history, which suggests that the strongest unions, and the most powerful socialist forces, have never emerged with the licensing of the government. in most cases, they&#8217;ve developed despite it. that&#8217;s where their power lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112298</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nas, 
I dont disagree with you on the mediocrity of Jordanian Labor unions, in everything from members services and benifits to foreign politics.
But are you telling me that, issues such as Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon are "foreign" to us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nas,<br />
I dont disagree with you on the mediocrity of Jordanian Labor unions, in everything from members services and benifits to foreign politics.<br />
But are you telling me that, issues such as Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon are &#8220;foreign&#8221; to us?</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112287</link>
		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is to say - they're not allowed to organize a strike .. they will be arrested!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is to say - they&#8217;re not allowed to organize a strike .. they will be arrested!</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112286</link>
		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112286</guid>
		<description>ok let's say that the jordanian unions decided to abandon anything related to politics and focus solely on work issues ..
how much sway or influence do they have in improving the conditions of the people represent .. i mean could they organize a strike for example .. i don't think so ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok let&#8217;s say that the jordanian unions decided to abandon anything related to politics and focus solely on work issues ..<br />
how much sway or influence do they have in improving the conditions of the people represent .. i mean could they organize a strike for example .. i don&#8217;t think so ..</p>
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		<title>By: Ammar</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112285</link>
		<dc:creator>Ammar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112285</guid>
		<description>the thing is our unions is currently mostly by islamists and the islamists in jordan are mostly run by pro Hamas wing or or the eagles as they call  them in the press thats why as soon as you enter the union complex um shmeisani you'll see a big poster of al rantisi martyr not yasser arafat's poster nor  late king hussein which makes you feel you're entering a hamas organization in jordan
and because hamas is in palestine for sur the policies of the unions are going to be foreign not local 
plz i don't anyone to think that im taking position against palestine pr palestinians but that is the truth about the unions 
i believe that palestine is one of the major arabic issues that we should deal but in the same time our economicAL ISSUES IN JORDAN IN THIS PERIOD IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT AND WE SHOULD FOCUS ON ALSO BECAUSE A STABLE PROSPEROUS JORDAN MEANS A COUNTRY THAT CAN DEFEND ITS BROTHERS AND HELP THEM IN PALESTINE!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing is our unions is currently mostly by islamists and the islamists in jordan are mostly run by pro Hamas wing or or the eagles as they call  them in the press thats why as soon as you enter the union complex um shmeisani you&#8217;ll see a big poster of al rantisi martyr not yasser arafat&#8217;s poster nor  late king hussein which makes you feel you&#8217;re entering a hamas organization in jordan<br />
and because hamas is in palestine for sur the policies of the unions are going to be foreign not local<br />
plz i don&#8217;t anyone to think that im taking position against palestine pr palestinians but that is the truth about the unions<br />
i believe that palestine is one of the major arabic issues that we should deal but in the same time our economicAL ISSUES IN JORDAN IN THIS PERIOD IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT AND WE SHOULD FOCUS ON ALSO BECAUSE A STABLE PROSPEROUS JORDAN MEANS A COUNTRY THAT CAN DEFEND ITS BROTHERS AND HELP THEM IN PALESTINE!!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Columbus</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112283</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Columbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling themselves trade unions, but supporting the propaganda of those who are in power - that's really weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling themselves trade unions, but supporting the propaganda of those who are in power - that&#8217;s really weak.</p>
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		<title>By: alurdunialhurr</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112281</link>
		<dc:creator>alurdunialhurr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112281</guid>
		<description>انا لا اري عيب  او خطاء  عندما   تتدخل نقابه  المهندسين  أو ايا نقابه في الشؤون السياسيه ،علي سبيل المثال  ،النقابه التي أنتمي لها في الولايات لمتحده وعددأعضائها ما يقارب 15000 عضو مغموسين  من راسهم ال أساسهم في السياسه الخارجيه  للولايات المتحده،،السياسه الداخليه والخارجيه   ليست حكرأ علي أحد لا بلعكس هي أمانه  في رقبه كل أنسان غيور علي بلده ويتمني  الخير لشعبه</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>انا لا اري عيب  او خطاء  عندما   تتدخل نقابه  المهندسين  أو ايا نقابه في الشؤون السياسيه ،علي سبيل المثال  ،النقابه التي أنتمي لها في الولايات لمتحده وعددأعضائها ما يقارب 15000 عضو مغموسين  من راسهم ال أساسهم في السياسه الخارجيه  للولايات المتحده،،السياسه الداخليه والخارجيه   ليست حكرأ علي أحد لا بلعكس هي أمانه  في رقبه كل أنسان غيور علي بلده ويتمني  الخير لشعبه</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmad Al-Sholi</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112278</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmad Al-Sholi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112278</guid>
		<description>you are right Naseem.
They should be fully dedicated for the professions they represent. Political actions shall be limited to run the union, tax, social security, work laws...etc. Other politics fans shall enroll in political parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are right Naseem.<br />
They should be fully dedicated for the professions they represent. Political actions shall be limited to run the union, tax, social security, work laws&#8230;etc. Other politics fans shall enroll in political parties.</p>
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		<title>By: The Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112277</link>
		<dc:creator>The Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112277</guid>
		<description>Very well said!

Those unions have inherited the mentality of adding more constraints and punishment to workers rather than helping improving their conditions. 

We are in desperate need for people to defend our rights. Can we do anything about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said!</p>
<p>Those unions have inherited the mentality of adding more constraints and punishment to workers rather than helping improving their conditions. </p>
<p>We are in desperate need for people to defend our rights. Can we do anything about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Mohanned</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112276</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohanned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Distractions, distractions, and more distractions..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Distractions, distractions, and more distractions..</p>
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		<title>By: change</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112275</link>
		<dc:creator>change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The unions have done a good job in many instances, but often undervalued. What we really need are new-fresh policies which are efficient and effective , We need radical and fundamental change.
 We still deny that we are facing economic crisis, what jordan needs is combined intellectual and socio-political movement that can effectively meet the upcoming challenges</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unions have done a good job in many instances, but often undervalued. What we really need are new-fresh policies which are efficient and effective , We need radical and fundamental change.<br />
 We still deny that we are facing economic crisis, what jordan needs is combined intellectual and socio-political movement that can effectively meet the upcoming challenges</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112273</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;markus:&lt;/b&gt; you make a valid point however we should make a differentiation here. american unions are historically representative of their members on a worker-rights level, their involvement in US politics comes from their natural ability to endorse parties which have platforms and agendas running parallel to their own goals. The Democratic party and the teacher's unions are an example of that. In that sense, they become entwined. 

On our end, there is little history of activism on behalf of workers and rather a huge reliance on political, usually foreign, issues that have nothing to do with their members. ironically, that has to do with the history of banned political parties and the decision to move the debate/issues into the hands of unions and associations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>markus:</b> you make a valid point however we should make a differentiation here. american unions are historically representative of their members on a worker-rights level, their involvement in US politics comes from their natural ability to endorse parties which have platforms and agendas running parallel to their own goals. The Democratic party and the teacher&#8217;s unions are an example of that. In that sense, they become entwined. </p>
<p>On our end, there is little history of activism on behalf of workers and rather a huge reliance on political, usually foreign, issues that have nothing to do with their members. ironically, that has to do with the history of banned political parties and the decision to move the debate/issues into the hands of unions and associations.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112272</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112272</guid>
		<description>Unfortunatly unions and politics are intertwined from the begining of their history, and it will be forever.
As a simple example : type "unions  obama" in google search and take a look. 
Im not saying that they should, im just stating the obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunatly unions and politics are intertwined from the begining of their history, and it will be forever.<br />
As a simple example : type &#8220;unions  obama&#8221; in google search and take a look.<br />
Im not saying that they should, im just stating the obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: abu daoud</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112270</link>
		<dc:creator>abu daoud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jordanian people deserve better than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jordanian people deserve better than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ammar</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/02/24/what-jordanian-unions-have-been-up-to-lately/#comment-112267</link>
		<dc:creator>Ammar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally Agree our unions are in a mess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally Agree our unions are in a mess</p>
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