Fadi

After reading something like this, it is just too difficult. So Al Shahed reported last week that former…

Yes, please send it.

http://www.ammonnews.net/article.aspx?articleNO=28093

there are ways to counter a person’s argument, as silly as some might see them, without descending in to that dark abyss of personal attacks.

this isn’t the school playground where our best counter-argument is “but he started it”.

i am raising the bar of free speech for this specific post because the comments have generated various sensitive viewpoints that are common in Jordan and i believe not talking about those viewpoints only encourages their existance. but let’s not abuse that and resort to profanity.

thanks for understanding.

I pray that everyone is capable of doing.

This is an identity crisis between thw will to modernize , and share the world on one hand , and the statusquo concerning the rule in Jordan .

This is explained by the fact thay after he saw that some taboos .. are mentioned , and although he put it all … he took a back step , watching .

My friend , it is difficult in a society of yours to move things , educating animals in the zoo will be easier , because your people will keep running away to the other side whenever they are faced with a question they dont want to answer , and whose answer will propably solve the mystery and cancel the problem .

in a fair and just society, government and public officials are obligated by law to disclose their financial dealings in the open for public scrutiny. in such an environment, we can go along with your suggestion.

in jordan, there is no such thing as public disclosure. there is under the table and backstage dealings only and other dark secrets. so just because we have no legal evidence, do we pretend there is no corruption? or do we rely on “leaks” . if we do so, we end up with a scenario where suddenly 90% of those leaks target one group but exclude another in a manner that reeks with racism.

goes back to what others have said all along. Jordan’s political system is so utterly corrupt it’s impervious to reforms.

maybe this is all for the better. discontent has to reach the boiling point before things start to move. we are not there yet.

I can forward it to you if you like

Naseem, whats that article that assumes Awadallah wants to fight muasher back? the implication that Awadallah holds a joker card used when needed is corruption by itself.. Regardless of Awadallah image any part can hold.

It is so frustrating that the serious points being discussed gets mixed up with such crap, where even legitimate points made by the commentator himself gets lost in the irrational impulsive and obnoxious approach that resembles a conversation taking place between two guys engaging in a shouting match at a coffee shop ….

Abu Mansour yaaaaaa Abu Mansour, i hope you realize that over 40% of palestinains are Bedouin mostly from 3in Essabe3. And about 30% are peasants. and today, over 50% are refugees. it’s about time some of us just drop their false sense of superiority and learn some modesty. (joke!)

Abu Mansour, but so is Palestine and almost every Arab country east of Egypt. Any borders in this part of the Arab world you can thank the British for. the only natural borders is a continuous line that encircles every Arab speaking country.

So basically, every arrogant pro-palestinian argument and anti-jordanian argument you put forth is done in the spirit of British-designed artificial identities.

But let’s go along with this for now.

Abu Mansour, if you think Jordan is Palestine, you are on your own. I prefer Israel is Palestine. but in all honesty, you could be an Israeli or Jordanian intelligence agent who is trying to stir some shit on this forum. Both are known to do this on a regular basis.

if you were really a Palestinian show some respect for your fellow Arabs, especially Jordanians. You may not like their regimes, but at least recognize that we are better treated in Jordan than in any other Arab country.

whatever grudges you may have, keep them for the governments and spare the people. Else, you are really doing Israeli and Jordanian intelligence a big favor. And that makes you a puppet.

oh brother.

i give up.

“now you are a government propagandist, Nas.”

I agree that there were major flaws in the process (and i am referring to the lower house elections) and quite probably to the point of vote rigging (which wasn’t nationwide). However, I was replying to the idea that the parliament is useless simply because the whole thing was rigged. In other words, no candidate in this election by my measure was a serious candidate. In other words, had the alternative to those who won gotten the seat, there would be no serious change in the system.

“deep down inside you are as pro regime as they come.”

I also have a deep-seeded fear of bananas. we should discuss it some time.

“That’s true Nas, but it’s a direct result of massive regime pressure on the islamists to break them up. “

I won’t deny that there is obviously a concerted effort on behalf of the state to constantly decrease the islamists’ influence however, in most cases, the plan usually backfires. people recognize the tactics (as the islamists usually point them out), which only gives them more ammunition and makes them even more likable.

“the government is trying to hurt us” is actually the slogan islamists run on during all elections. their second choice was “change we can believe in” but you know how that went down.

the brotherhood have recognized their own internal conflicts and it has nothing to do with the state.