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	<title>Comments on: How The Eid Holiday Ended With A Bang</title>
	<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/</link>
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		<title>By: Global Voices 日本語 &#187; ヨルダン：殺人は名誉ではない</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-132166</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices 日本語 &#187; ヨルダン：殺人は名誉ではない</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-132166</guid>
		<description>[...] ブロガーのKinziはこの判決についてコメントし、「6ヶ月に比べればよくなった。手をぴしゃりとやられたようなものだ。」と述べた。男は7年半の禁固刑の判決を受けた。彼女は、ブロガーのNaseem Tarawnahも事件の起きた当時の2007年にこの件について書いていると加えている。Naseemは、ほかの似たような事件と同様に、被害者は性的に活発でなかったと述べている。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] ブロガーのKinziはこの判決についてコメントし、「6ヶ月に比べればよくなった。手をぴしゃりとやられたようなものだ。」と述べた。男は7年半の禁固刑の判決を受けた。彼女は、ブロガーのNaseem Tarawnahも事件の起きた当時の2007年にこの件について書いていると加えている。Naseemは、ほかの似たような事件と同様に、被害者は性的に活発でなかったと述べている。 [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Lo strillone &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Giordania: cambiare leggi e cultura sui ‘delitti d&#8217;onore&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-132068</link>
		<dc:creator>Lo strillone &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Giordania: cambiare leggi e cultura sui ‘delitti d&#8217;onore&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-132068</guid>
		<description>[...] è stato condannato a sette anni e mezzo di prigione. Ha aggiunto che il blogger Naseem Tarawnah [in] aveva scritto dell&#8217;omicidio quando era avvenuto nel 2007. Allora aveva scritto [in] che [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] è stato condannato a sette anni e mezzo di prigione. Ha aggiunto che il blogger Naseem Tarawnah [in] aveva scritto dell&#8217;omicidio quando era avvenuto nel 2007. Allora aveva scritto [in] che [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Lo strillone &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Giordania: cambiare leggi e cultura sui ‘delitti d&#8217;onore&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-132067</link>
		<dc:creator>Lo strillone &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Giordania: cambiare leggi e cultura sui ‘delitti d&#8217;onore&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-132067</guid>
		<description>[...] è stato condannato a sette anni e mezzo di prigione. Ha aggiunto che il blogger Naseem Tarawnah [in] aveva scritto dell&#8217;omicidio quando era avvenuto nel 2007. Allora aveva scritto [in] che [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] è stato condannato a sette anni e mezzo di prigione. Ha aggiunto che il blogger Naseem Tarawnah [in] aveva scritto dell&#8217;omicidio quando era avvenuto nel 2007. Allora aveva scritto [in] che [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Jordan: No Honour in Killing</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-131861</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Jordan: No Honour in Killing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-131861</guid>
		<description>[...] hand.&#8221;  The man was sentenced to seven and a half years in prison.  She added that blogger Naseem Tarawnah  had written about the murder when it took place in 2007. He then wrote that the victim, as in many [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] hand.&#8221;  The man was sentenced to seven and a half years in prison.  She added that blogger Naseem Tarawnah  had written about the murder when it took place in 2007. He then wrote that the victim, as in many [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Inching Toward True Justice, But Not True Honor &#171; my treasure</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-129939</link>
		<dc:creator>Inching Toward True Justice, But Not True Honor &#171; my treasure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-129939</guid>
		<description>[...] Nas and I both blogged about this one, she was the relative of a friend of mine. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Nas and I both blogged about this one, she was the relative of a friend of mine. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124980</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124980</guid>
		<description>WHY DO THESE THINGS HAPPEN!
And before they're even sure the girls did it!

I'm sorry, I'm a very open minded person, but I will NEVER understand why this crap happens without a death penalty or life sentence, hands-down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY DO THESE THINGS HAPPEN!<br />
And before they&#8217;re even sure the girls did it!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I&#8217;m a very open minded person, but I will NEVER understand why this crap happens without a death penalty or life sentence, hands-down.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124970</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124970</guid>
		<description>I know for a fact that it was not the uncle who actually did it, it was the dad and brother, and the uncle stepped forward (no pun intended) because he is handicapped, thus exempting him from serving any time at all.On another note there was absolutely no argument she was shot in cold blood and she didnt even know why.Her family claim that she was seen walking out of a house where a single guy lived, that was enough for her to be condemned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know for a fact that it was not the uncle who actually did it, it was the dad and brother, and the uncle stepped forward (no pun intended) because he is handicapped, thus exempting him from serving any time at all.On another note there was absolutely no argument she was shot in cold blood and she didnt even know why.Her family claim that she was seen walking out of a house where a single guy lived, that was enough for her to be condemned.</p>
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		<title>By: Zait O Za3tar</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124921</link>
		<dc:creator>Zait O Za3tar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124921</guid>
		<description>Why am I not surprised? Am I getting used to it? I do not know what's more depressing; the fact that cases like this still happen, or that we live in a state of indifference to what happens around us.

We truly lack respect to the value of humans.

Time to go back to my bubble :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why am I not surprised? Am I getting used to it? I do not know what&#8217;s more depressing; the fact that cases like this still happen, or that we live in a state of indifference to what happens around us.</p>
<p>We truly lack respect to the value of humans.</p>
<p>Time to go back to my bubble <img src='http://www.black-iris.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Abo Abdollah Omar Ibn Abi Adey</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124918</link>
		<dc:creator>Abo Abdollah Omar Ibn Abi Adey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124918</guid>
		<description>stating the above comment made me realize the problem , in places like " Al-Rsayyfeh (or some similar location) and its lack of culture , proper education and poverty made most of the crimes take place there , it is not only honor crimes ( which i would rather call dis-honored) it is all sorts of crimes , this is where i would stand and find it is not "macho" issue it is lack of awarness which people like us and l the objectors are responsible for , but i don't think that Al-Rsayyfeh (or some similar locations) are a healthy place for educated ones who can initiate awarness campaigns... That is what i felt from the above posts...

Correct me if I am wrong</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stating the above comment made me realize the problem , in places like &#8221; Al-Rsayyfeh (or some similar location) and its lack of culture , proper education and poverty made most of the crimes take place there , it is not only honor crimes ( which i would rather call dis-honored) it is all sorts of crimes , this is where i would stand and find it is not &#8220;macho&#8221; issue it is lack of awarness which people like us and l the objectors are responsible for , but i don&#8217;t think that Al-Rsayyfeh (or some similar locations) are a healthy place for educated ones who can initiate awarness campaigns&#8230; That is what i felt from the above posts&#8230;</p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong</p>
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		<title>By: Luna</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124902</link>
		<dc:creator>Luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124902</guid>
		<description>Apart from statistics (and yes, there are still a few months left to the year Nas), I would be very interested in any reliable research that would pin down the brutality of these crimes.  I still cannot get two cases out of my mind.  The first was in AlGhad on-line newspaper a few months ago where a brother "drowned" his sister in the Dead Sea by putting his hand on her head as she begged him not to and he simply stood there with his hand on her head and just watched as she slowly died!?  How cheap, worthless, and meaningless can human life be?  And how easily are these "machos" assuming the role of gods.  I am curious if that guy got away with "manslaughter" only? And what would be the rationale for that... she just happened to take a dive in the "DEAD SEA" with his hand on her head?

The second was in Ammoun only a few weeks ago and was about a mentally disabled woman in Al-Rsayyfeh (or some similar location) who was left to roam the streets and no one in her family seemed to care until someone raped her, then "el sharaf sar ghali ya bouy"...and she was simply killed.

While I was genuinely shocked by the brutality of both crimes, I was more shocked, no...no, appalled that is, by the comments of on-line readers in both cases... over 90% of the comments saluted the "machos" who carried out both crimes as protectors of honor.  Another venue for interesting research?

Maybe we (those who think these crimes are hideous) live in some ivory towers?  After reading those comments, and of course getting sick to my stomach (but it's one of those things you cannot stop yourself from doing), I think it is no little wonder that public prosecutors adopt their stance... they are after all accountable (AND BELONG) to their constituencies, who believe this is the right thing to do... we need a change in mentality, which we shouldn't be optimistic about given how things regress rather than progress in Jordan with regards to the perception of women: a woman is either as a virgin or as a whore, and nothing in between.  

What a shame... what a shame for our mother's generation who fought their way to universities, education, and achievement without losing any aspect of their culture, and successfully fused contemporary values (not necessarily Western) with our traditions....  I see us going back not hundreds of years ago, but thousands, right to the Jahiliyyeh... and that's when I count my blessings that I don't have to deal with this on a daily basis, and not face to face... escapism? Maybe, but it's too big a fight and I do pity women in my culture...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from statistics (and yes, there are still a few months left to the year Nas), I would be very interested in any reliable research that would pin down the brutality of these crimes.  I still cannot get two cases out of my mind.  The first was in AlGhad on-line newspaper a few months ago where a brother &#8220;drowned&#8221; his sister in the Dead Sea by putting his hand on her head as she begged him not to and he simply stood there with his hand on her head and just watched as she slowly died!?  How cheap, worthless, and meaningless can human life be?  And how easily are these &#8220;machos&#8221; assuming the role of gods.  I am curious if that guy got away with &#8220;manslaughter&#8221; only? And what would be the rationale for that&#8230; she just happened to take a dive in the &#8220;DEAD SEA&#8221; with his hand on her head?</p>
<p>The second was in Ammoun only a few weeks ago and was about a mentally disabled woman in Al-Rsayyfeh (or some similar location) who was left to roam the streets and no one in her family seemed to care until someone raped her, then &#8220;el sharaf sar ghali ya bouy&#8221;&#8230;and she was simply killed.</p>
<p>While I was genuinely shocked by the brutality of both crimes, I was more shocked, no&#8230;no, appalled that is, by the comments of on-line readers in both cases&#8230; over 90% of the comments saluted the &#8220;machos&#8221; who carried out both crimes as protectors of honor.  Another venue for interesting research?</p>
<p>Maybe we (those who think these crimes are hideous) live in some ivory towers?  After reading those comments, and of course getting sick to my stomach (but it&#8217;s one of those things you cannot stop yourself from doing), I think it is no little wonder that public prosecutors adopt their stance&#8230; they are after all accountable (AND BELONG) to their constituencies, who believe this is the right thing to do&#8230; we need a change in mentality, which we shouldn&#8217;t be optimistic about given how things regress rather than progress in Jordan with regards to the perception of women: a woman is either as a virgin or as a whore, and nothing in between.  </p>
<p>What a shame&#8230; what a shame for our mother&#8217;s generation who fought their way to universities, education, and achievement without losing any aspect of their culture, and successfully fused contemporary values (not necessarily Western) with our traditions&#8230;.  I see us going back not hundreds of years ago, but thousands, right to the Jahiliyyeh&#8230; and that&#8217;s when I count my blessings that I don&#8217;t have to deal with this on a daily basis, and not face to face&#8230; escapism? Maybe, but it&#8217;s too big a fight and I do pity women in my culture&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124897</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124897</guid>
		<description>Wow. Manslaughter. 

That's like saying that a man who shot himself three times in the head had "committed suicide" (happened in my old hometown). 

Like Nadine, I think it's obvious that the man with the disability was used by the rest of the family to commit the crime, a second evil to add to the first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Manslaughter. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s like saying that a man who shot himself three times in the head had &#8220;committed suicide&#8221; (happened in my old hometown). </p>
<p>Like Nadine, I think it&#8217;s obvious that the man with the disability was used by the rest of the family to commit the crime, a second evil to add to the first.</p>
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		<title>By: Aba Abdellah Omar Ibno Abi Adey</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124896</link>
		<dc:creator>Aba Abdellah Omar Ibno Abi Adey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124896</guid>
		<description>Ola , this is what we are talking about these days , it is a game of Lawyers as you seem to know , but the problem is that , killing a girl for a mistake that she didn't do or even if she did , is not right , once Omar Ibn el Khattab Caught people who were committing a sexual crime (as he says) he ran to the mosque to issue a judgment on them , one of the Profit's friend warned him , saying"  if you mention their names without bringing four witnesses we will whip you 80 times ", this the punishment of accusing without evidence. 
People have to be taught about this , and if the girl commits anything and someone should be killed for it , it should be the parents not her. 
Let's wake up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ola , this is what we are talking about these days , it is a game of Lawyers as you seem to know , but the problem is that , killing a girl for a mistake that she didn&#8217;t do or even if she did , is not right , once Omar Ibn el Khattab Caught people who were committing a sexual crime (as he says) he ran to the mosque to issue a judgment on them , one of the Profit&#8217;s friend warned him , saying&#8221;  if you mention their names without bringing four witnesses we will whip you 80 times &#8220;, this the punishment of accusing without evidence.<br />
People have to be taught about this , and if the girl commits anything and someone should be killed for it , it should be the parents not her.<br />
Let&#8217;s wake up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124894</link>
		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124894</guid>
		<description>i dont get it .. why is it manslaughter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont get it .. why is it manslaughter?</p>
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		<title>By: Suha</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124893</link>
		<dc:creator>Suha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124893</guid>
		<description>That is so sad, when will people stop killing each other is a human life that trivial these days? i just got back to Jordan last night but i never heard about this till now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is so sad, when will people stop killing each other is a human life that trivial these days? i just got back to Jordan last night but i never heard about this till now</p>
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		<title>By: Ola</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124892</link>
		<dc:creator>Ola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124892</guid>
		<description>He shot her 3 times and they decided it was manslaughter? then I suppose the case could be that...

1- He wanted to threaten her not kill her but what do you know? The girl ended up dead

2- He wanted to hurt her without killing her which is not very easy using 3 bullets

3- He was shooting at someone else and she was on the way

4- 3 stray bullets. It happens.

Or, was it manslaughter because he was physically disabled? I'm just curious...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He shot her 3 times and they decided it was manslaughter? then I suppose the case could be that&#8230;</p>
<p>1- He wanted to threaten her not kill her but what do you know? The girl ended up dead</p>
<p>2- He wanted to hurt her without killing her which is not very easy using 3 bullets</p>
<p>3- He was shooting at someone else and she was on the way</p>
<p>4- 3 stray bullets. It happens.</p>
<p>Or, was it manslaughter because he was physically disabled? I&#8217;m just curious&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nadine</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124890</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124890</guid>
		<description>the bang is the dimness we're letting in.

and the paraplegic will get off soft for his disability, while some bro, father, dude idles away, chain smoking on a sidewalk, waiting, wanking, withering.  zalameh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the bang is the dimness we&#8217;re letting in.</p>
<p>and the paraplegic will get off soft for his disability, while some bro, father, dude idles away, chain smoking on a sidewalk, waiting, wanking, withering.  zalameh.</p>
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		<title>By: kinzi</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124889</link>
		<dc:creator>kinzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124889</guid>
		<description>This may be the same story I just posted about. I wonder why it was the physically disabled man who was chosen to do the deed. Would he get more mercy from a judge? Or deemed as expendable in case he had to serve jail time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be the same story I just posted about. I wonder why it was the physically disabled man who was chosen to do the deed. Would he get more mercy from a judge? Or deemed as expendable in case he had to serve jail time?</p>
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		<title>By: Um Omar</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2008/10/05/how-the-eid-holiday-ended-with-a-bang/#comment-124888</link>
		<dc:creator>Um Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And no one in the girl's family did anything to stop him?  It said they were all there.  Rumors kill.  What a pity.  Is life worth so little these days?</description>
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