Comments on: Jordan Curbing The Death Sentence? http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/ A Jordanian Blog Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:56:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ALURDUNIALHURR http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131844 ALURDUNIALHURR Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:34:05 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131844 Death penalty is dead wrong, when a member of any society commit a heniuos crime ,some of us start to calling for their murder in jubilation and in return, when the unjust judicial system sentence him/her to death , some of us praise the action in jubilation ,it's just mind boggling.. Death penalty is dead wrong, when a member of any society commit a heniuos crime ,some of us start to calling for their murder in jubilation and in return, when the unjust judicial system sentence him/her to death , some of us praise the action in jubilation ,it’s just mind boggling..

]]> By: Zak http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131842 Zak Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:50:15 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131842 Hello Olry, If you think killing criminals makes Jordan a safer place then think again. There is no prove that this is true and actually many human rights groups believe that its the opposite. Zak http://life-zak.blogspot.com/ Hello Olry,

If you think killing criminals makes Jordan a safer place then think again. There is no prove that this is true and actually many human rights groups believe that its the opposite.

Zak
http://life-zak.blogspot.com/

]]> By: orly http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131841 orly Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:29:23 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131841 One of the few things Jordan has going for it is the unbelievable level of personal safety afforded to its residents; the Security Apparatus -- though unnecessarily ruthless at times and with corruption woven into its DNA -- can not be called inept in tackling everything from petty to full-scale, organised crime. And even terrorism. If Capitail Punishment works in Jordan, why change it? Amman offers a super-save environment, this is especially true of Western Amman. I see no reason to mess with a formula that works just for the sake of "harmonising" with international norms. Who are you normalising with, anyway? Sure, here in the E.U we've abolished Capital Punishment, but many feel this to be a mistake; there's a good deal nostgalia for the days when you could go out on a crisp Winter's morn', take a deep breath of fresh air...and hang a man. The United States -- notoriously? -- still does a great deal of "The Ultimate Punishment", though in a very weird way, with far too much fanfare. "Which way to use? Okay, a needle. And bring in the families. And let's have a demonstration outside calling the [murderer/rapist/Alaskan] evil. And a few TV cameras inside and out. All this after he's been held for 20-30 years? Excellent." China still executes, as does Japan -- and indeed many other nations. And let's face it, Jordanian execution is more akin to Japan's, than say, Iran's. Jordan's execution mechanism is pretty quick, efficient and generally just "quiet". There are more pressing issues to deal with: killing a few less criminals should be low-down on the Government's to-do list. Reducing traffic accidents, campaigning against smoking, getting clean good water to the people; providing solid medical care; etc; will surely save more lives than abolishing the Death Sentence. In summary: abolish it? Yes. Just not yet. Don't mess with one of Jordan's few shining points -- general safety and public order. Remember people, this is Jordan -- not Norway. One of the few things Jordan has going for it is the unbelievable level of personal safety afforded to its residents; the Security Apparatus — though unnecessarily ruthless at times and with corruption woven into its DNA — can not be called inept in tackling everything from petty to full-scale, organised crime. And even terrorism.

If Capitail Punishment works in Jordan, why change it? Amman offers a super-save environment, this is especially true of Western Amman. I see no reason to mess with a formula that works just for the sake of “harmonising” with international norms. Who are you normalising with, anyway? Sure, here in the E.U we’ve abolished Capital Punishment, but many feel this to be a mistake; there’s a good deal nostgalia for the days when you could go out on a crisp Winter’s morn’, take a deep breath of fresh air…and hang a man.

The United States — notoriously? — still does a great deal of “The Ultimate Punishment”, though in a very weird way, with far too much fanfare. “Which way to use? Okay, a needle. And bring in the families. And let’s have a demonstration outside calling the [murderer/rapist/Alaskan] evil. And a few TV cameras inside and out. All this after he’s been held for 20-30 years? Excellent.”

China still executes, as does Japan — and indeed many other nations. And let’s face it, Jordanian execution is more akin to Japan’s, than say, Iran’s.

Jordan’s execution mechanism is pretty quick, efficient and generally just “quiet”.

There are more pressing issues to deal with: killing a few less criminals should be low-down on the Government’s to-do list. Reducing traffic accidents, campaigning against smoking, getting clean good water to the people; providing solid medical care; etc; will surely save more lives than abolishing the Death Sentence.

In summary: abolish it? Yes. Just not yet. Don’t mess with one of Jordan’s few shining points — general safety and public order.

Remember people, this is Jordan — not Norway.

]]> By: T http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131840 T Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:27:58 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131840 I think we suffer from a huge lack of information!!! I happen to know that the Ministry of Justice has a senior judge appointed to help with a programme on prison reform with the possibility of introducing parole and other innovative ideas. The police are also doing a programme of reform. I don't know why these initiatives do not get into the news - bad journalism or lack of will by official bodies to let out any kind of information! T I think we suffer from a huge lack of information!!! I happen to know that the Ministry of Justice has a senior judge appointed to help with a programme on prison reform with the possibility of introducing parole and other innovative ideas. The police are also doing a programme of reform. I don’t know why these initiatives do not get into the news – bad journalism or lack of will by official bodies to let out any kind of information! T

]]> By: Zak http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131839 Zak Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:30:23 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131839 Nas gave a good point about the case of human rights in Jordan. Personally, I believe that Capital punishment should be eliminated unless there were indisputable evidence or unforced confessions. I also think that 10 years should be given before the execution to give time for any further developments and that judges should investigate whether confessions were made under torture or not. con.t on http://life-zak.blogspot.com/ Nas gave a good point about the case of human rights in Jordan. Personally, I believe that Capital punishment should be eliminated unless there were indisputable evidence or unforced confessions. I also think that 10 years should be given before the execution to give time for any further developments and that judges should investigate whether confessions were made under torture or not.

con.t on http://life-zak.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Deena http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131838 Deena Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:34:28 +0000 http://www.black-iris.com/2009/04/07/jordan-curbing-the-death-sentence/#comment-131838 I am delighted by the Jordan Time’s editorial; only a few years ago it was advocating just the opposite – defending capital punishment and its capacity of ‘deterrence’. I wrote a letter to the editor at the time (the only one they ever published) making my own argument about why capital punishment should be abolished. Having said that, I think it is sad that even when we are finally willing to address capital punishment, our motives are not a more just society, but rather, ‘harmonizing our image’ with the rest of the world. To me, the primary role of the state in society is the provision of justice. And capital punishment transforms the role of the state from a benefactor of justice to a perpetrator of revenge. I am delighted by the Jordan Time’s editorial; only a few years ago it was advocating just the opposite – defending capital punishment and its capacity of ‘deterrence’. I wrote a letter to the editor at the time (the only one they ever published) making my own argument about why capital punishment should be abolished. Having said that, I think it is sad that even when we are finally willing to address capital punishment, our motives are not a more just society, but rather, ‘harmonizing our image’ with the rest of the world.
To me, the primary role of the state in society is the provision of justice. And capital punishment transforms the role of the state from a benefactor of justice to a perpetrator of revenge.

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