May Marwa ash-Sherbini rest in peace.

…& you chose b)? Really? Hmmm

In this particular situation, nothing matters more than the loss of this innocent life. Nothing. Which isn’t to say that freedom of speech isn’t an important topic - it is. But in this situation, it’s mind-boggling that you would opt for b) as the ‘real’ problem.

Also, do you think freedom of speech should cover any & every kind of speech? Slander, libel, defamation? Incitement of hatred?

Being German myself, I also think German society needs to wake up and realize that reality is that people will hurt each other. People deserve more protection in the courtroom. Not having police present, not having metal detectors in place and not being aware of what is going on around you is not only dangerous but embarrassing. For a country that prides itself in its great intellectual wealth and knowledge, we still have a ways to go when it comes to awareness of reality and caring for all our people - regardless of what we look like and what religious group we belong to.

the media didnt get involved becasue they didnt want to anger the muslims around the world as they know we will want answers for what happend to sister Marwa. you see a muslim would interfere in situations like this because we value life and speak against injustice but these pple will watch you die and get counselling for watching someone die.

munafeek (hypocrics) they conceal their own faults and show what others have done and headline the word (MUSLIM)
when they see or hear ‘the word Muslim’ they hear sirens!
im not hear to spread hatred but on a human level if christians, jews, hindu or pple belonging to any other religion except Islam, just think what if feels likes to be a muslim then you too would be angered

Peace!

I believe it was Mitch that said that Alex was not necessarily a civilised practicing Christian

Well, for starters, you cannot report what isn’t true. Since the man is from Russia, there is a very good chance he is an atheist or at least has little involvement with any religion. Why would they report him as being a “civilized practicing Christian” if he wasn’t?

Europeans with their partner US are responsible for use of atomic bomb over Japan when the war was about to end.

Europeans had no involvement in the bombings of Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and the war wasn’t “about to end,” as you put it, when the bombs were used. In fact, the top leaders in Japan only narrowly agreed to surrender after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Also imagine 18 knife wounds over a human being take time, it can not be happened in one or two seconds. It all happened in the presence of more than a dozen people including a Judge. What was the role of ’so respectable’ Judge and all presents in whole episode.

Salute the responsibility of guards, who opened fire on the husband of Marwa.

My friends, all this is not new, Europeans including Germans are not having a responsible citizen track record. Europeans were responsible for two wrold wars. Europeans with their partner US are responsible for use of atomic bomb over Japan when the war was about to end. Europeans are responsible for massacre of Iraq without any proof of so called ‘Mass Destruction Weapons’. Europeans are responsible for destroying Afghanistan without Afghans involvement in 9-11 (Note that all media reports held Saudis responsible for 9-11). Europeans are blood suckers of third world. They made most of the Asia and Africa their colonies and theft all valuables of these regions during 18th and 19th centuries. Their crimes are countless.

It is sickening to not have heard about this in the news–i heard about it by word of mouth through some friends. There are too many unanswered questions regarding what happened in the courtroom and how this could occur. I wish the best for Marwas family and hope that her son finds peace as this will eventually be most difficult for him.

imagine..a police saw a robbery and he had Bystander_effect .. .. .. .. lols..never happen..

Actually, he was called in from a different part of the court building as the crime was happening, and shot the husband. So what happened there is actually a little bit more damning for him than for anyone else in that courtroom at the time. Confusion in such cases is common, and we will never know for certain if he was honestly reacting to what he believed her saw, or if he automatically assumed that a dark, Arab man was the attacker.

Either way, it’s of no small comfort to the bereaved family.

Absolutely Zofia. But, this is exactly what many Westerners, (not only Germans) deny, no matter what evidence is brought before them. They act like they’ve never heard of or experienced such an instance EVER! And, they’ll pretend the same thing even if, today a Muslim killed a Jewish or Christian, pregnant lady in one of their courts, and there is the kind of media and political backlash like we all know that would lead to.

The Western mindset has been programmed to see Muslims as perpetrators who are NEVER deserving of sympathy. This is no accident. It’s that way by design. Many in the West view Muslims as “deserving” of the bad things that happen to them.

If “Alex W” had been Muslim and Marwa Jewish or Christian, the Western media and leaders alike would have asked questions like, “Where are the moderate Muslims”? They would never have claimed that “Alex W” is a “lone wolf”. He would have been portrayed as a product of Islam. As a product of a group.

I ask now, “Where are the moderate Germans”? “Where are the moderate Westerners”?

I am a Westerner, but I refuse to believe, follow or subscribe to the mainstream narrative of Muslims. IT’S A BLATANT LIE!!!

yes, unfortunately it’s probably true that the coverage would’ve been greater if he had been the one who was muslim… but on the other hand, if they’d both been white it would not have been reported internationally at all (and none of us would’ve ever heard about it).

dont get brainwashed by any partys…
I DONT THINK ANY PARENTS TEACH THEIR KIDS TO KILL OTHERS…be it muslim or whatever..
those so called JIHAD IS VERY CLOSE TO HELL..THEY RESPONSIBLE TO THOSE WHO DIED ON 9/11 and IN IRAG/AFGHANISTAN…THEY ARE NOT MUSLIM!THEY ARE THE TERRORIST THE KILLERS..

p/s somone is paying for you to get brainwashed.hahahaha

imagine..a police saw a robbery and he had Bystander_effect .. .. .. .. lols..never happen..he just stood there?or he shoot the victim?…in this case..the “police officer” get Bystander_effect and shoot the victim.ha ha ha

I HOPE GERMANS GOVERMENT WILL PROVIDE GOOD TRAINING FOR THEIR POLICE!and include ways to avoid Bystander_effect..hahahahahaha

it doesnt matter christian/muslim/white/black/green/german/russian/alien or whatever…..in this case…..the POLICE is so motherfarking stupid and he should not be a POLICE!go ask any police if he had this “Bystander_effect”…if he does…HE IS A VERY STUPID OR UNPROFESSIONAL POLICEMAN!!!

Once again, I think it’s important to remember the bystander effect when talking about this situation.

Read about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

And of course, you can stab someone pretty quickly, a great number of times. You just need sufficient rage and some prowess with a blade.

I do think that the police officer who mistook her husband for the attacker was operating under a pretty common set of prejudices. Man of Middle Eastern origin? Must be a killer. Point. Shoot.

It’s a tragedy of enormous proportions, but labeling Germany as “sick”? I don’t know about that. I’ll never know what it’s like to be Middle Eastern in Germany, however, so take that with a grain of salt.

“Do you want us all to “concede” that Marwa’s story would have had the same treatment if she were Jewish or Christian and “Alex W” was Muslim?

I want you to honestly consider that possibility, do some further research on what has and has not been covered by the German media, and then come to your own conclusion.

Mitch I post this article also as evidence of this “imbalance” toward others such as Muslims, in the West.

I don’t doubt that there will always be those who discriminate unfairly against others, but an ongoing discrimination case in the U.S. is your evidence that the German media is biased?

The university denies any wrongdoing in her firing and cites other reasons for terminating her employment in other reports. There is more than one side to this story and claiming Islam doesn’t make you honest by default. Lets not forget that Muslims in the United States have cried wolf before. In fact, like other minority groups seeking the pity of the public, they’ve done it plenty of times.

This woman may an honest victim of discrimination or she may just be trying to get back at her employer for personal gain. I’m sure an ongoing investigation by the EEOC will help to clarify the situation. In any event, the coverage given to this woman by major news outlets suggests her claims were not ignored because she was a Muslim. It’s just the opposite: countless non-Muslim women file complaints of discrimination by employers each year and very few of these cases are seen on CNN.

If you’ve read it already, my humblest apologies. I do not wish to take anything away about the topic at hand i.e Miss Sherbini’s case. I put this here to show yet another example of the “standard” behaviour of the “tolerant” West towards Muslims.

Georgia State University professor discriminated against Muslim woman

22/07/2009 09:00:00 AM GMT Comments (2) Add a comment Print E-mail to friend

By Yvonne R. Davis

Georgia State University stands behind a professor who discriminated against an Arab and Muslim woman

Behind the tears she shed on CNN this past 4th of July weekend is a brilliant, brave and beautiful 25 year old woman by the name of Slma Shelbayah. A doctoral student in Journalism and guest professor at Georgia State University, it appears the system geared up against her in a most ill-mannered way. It seemed okay in 2008 for a University Professor to harass a Muslim student and get away with it.

You ask why? The answer is, because they could, and also because an Arab “girl” who wears a Hijab can’t demand respect from a professor who is the Graduate Director in the Department of Communications. A woman committed to following Islam and the call by the Holy Qu’ran to dress modestly has to swallow the tenured Professor’s constant queries if she is “wearing a bomb” in her hair underneath that scarf. After all, this professor is beyond reproach.

She penned eight books on presidential communication and rhetoric, including national identity, strategic failures and the pre-presidential and presidential rhetoric of Ronald Reagan. Her recent book Defining Americans puts Dr. Mary Stuckey in the position as “Commander In Chief” of what it is to be an American and a person like student Professor Slma Shelbayah does not fit because she covers her head.

When Dr. Stuckey who has appeared on CSPAN and active in the Women’s Caucus was confronted by student Professor Shelbayah for these anti-Arab/Muslim comments, she just said, “sorry.” However, to show how remorseful she was, with University approval she stripped Shelbayah of her guest professorship.

Additionally, she lost her position in the Department of Middle East Institute Exchange Program and worst of all she lost her financial support to complete her doctoral studies. Shelbayah has been reduced to nothing because she wants her freedom of religion and expression to be upheld.

In protest, tenured professor Dona Stewart stepped down as director of the University’s Middle East Institute. She filed a discrimination complaint with the Justice Department. It is quite noble she is standing with Shelbayah. Stewart’s job is safe. She received a promotion at Georgia State University and it will be interesting to see how hard she will continue to push to make sure that student Professor Shelbayah receives restitution for being treated as less-than for being Arab and Muslim. Professor Stewart should not be so naïve to think this issue is only about Civil Rights. Perhaps focusing on this aspect of it along gives her comfort to fight for justice. The Anti Arab/Muslim fight is perhaps too messy.

Georgia State University should be ashamed for allowing a woman who in 2004 completed her Bachelors degree at this institution in only two years become reduced to this level of humiliation. By the way, Shelbayah received her Masters at Georgia State as well. The retaliation she received is thanks for her loyalty to Georgia State University.

A determined young lady, when student Professor Shelbayah was 20-years old she pushed through her undergraduate education registering and completing between 16 to 18 hours worth of course work per semester while simultaneously holding a job at a bookstore and interning at CBS 46. She even taught religious and Arabic classes and interacted with youth groups.

During one semester as an undergrad, she dedicated 30 hours or 10 classes to graduate in December. Do you really think a student like this deserves to have Dr. Stuckey who has won teaching awards from the American Political Science Association treat her this way? Maybe since Dr. Stuckey is interested in how political power is constructed and communicated this was a part of her qualitative research for her ninth book or 31st article on the “Rhetoric of Hatred — How to Intimidate an Arab Woman by Telling Her Colleagues She Does Not Have a Bomb In Her Scarf?”

Student Professor Shelbayah and her tenured supporter professor have a battle to fight, but if Georgia State University is an Institution of Higher Learning that it is supposed to be then it will not stand for any type of discriminatory practices against any student. Instead of “siding” with its star studded academic professor against a “lowly” Arab female student Professor, the leadership should take up this issue and not feel they have already dealt with the matter when they have done nothing.

The Middle East Institute’s leadership does not list one Arab/Muslim/Coptic professor on its web page. Something is wrong here. How can you promote and talk about the Middle East, when no one in your leadership is named Muhammad, Abdullah, Latifah or Shelbayah? Even the school’s 2009 spring lecture series is pretty lame and does not give any more hope in having someone by the last name of Bukai or Shelbayah!

African Americans know good and well if white advertisers, corporations and yes Universities want our attention they need to have someone who looks likes like us on their team in a leadership position. If one wants the attention of Latinos someone better habla Espanol! Institutions that ignore these simple facts are arrogant and exploitative.

This sadly is not the first time this University has been down this road of discrimination. In 2007, it had a case filed by a female Asian Professor who was treated horribly and paid less then her counterparts. She heard comments such as “there are too many Chinese professors.”

Therefore, it is with great hope Georgia State University President Mark P. Becker steps in to resolve this issue immediately. As he considers his plan of action, he may want to ponder the words of our 44th President Barack Hussein Obama. “I reject the view of some in the West that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal, but I do believe that a woman who is denied an education is denied equality.”

— Yvonne R. Davis, President and CEO of DAVISCommunications, is an internationally recognized leadership development coach, speaker, and award winning journalist. She is an expert in cross-cultural and global emerging markets. A hard-hitting political columnist, Ms. Davis is passionate about critical economic and socio-political issues in the Middle East, Central Asia, the Balkans, and Eastern Europe. She continues to play a crucial role in developing strategies to advance the status of women in these developing regions.

Source: Middle East Online