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		<title>By: Canada - Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-140029</link>
		<dc:creator>Canada - Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to Boston in the 80&#039;s...

Kudos to you!!

You were right on target. He was the same when I and Samir were living in the same area in Amman. He was rotten spoiled, controlling, manipulating because of who his father was, bragging how one day he will become PM in Jordan without having to even worry or prove himself to earn the post. He is obsessed with power and public positions and has an imature side with an ego... too bad for Jordan and the message his appointment sends to other Jordanians...</description>
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<p>Kudos to you!!</p>
<p>You were right on target. He was the same when I and Samir were living in the same area in Amman. He was rotten spoiled, controlling, manipulating because of who his father was, bragging how one day he will become PM in Jordan without having to even worry or prove himself to earn the post. He is obsessed with power and public positions and has an imature side with an ego&#8230; too bad for Jordan and the message his appointment sends to other Jordanians&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Boston in the '80s</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-139665</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston in the '80s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this forum when I was looking up the news of Samir becoming PM in Jordan, a friend from our college days in Boston had just told me about it and I couldn&#039;t believe it.
It is refreshing to read this articles and your comments, I am not Jordanian, but fascinated by the position it has in the Middle East and it&#039;s history. I studied Political Science in Boston in the &#039;80s and had many Jordanian friends back then. 
When I met Samir, I thought it was an incredible opportunity to talk to someone who&#039;s family was part of Jordan&#039;s history, so interesting !!...more like ,so disappointing...
He was a nice person, but he just lived in another world. One of luxuries and favors, he went to Harvard because of who his father was, didn&#039;t go much to class, changed his BMW every year for a newer model, lived in a very nice apartment, went shopping in Milan every summer before arriving in Boston......this is the Samir I knew, nice person, well mannered and very ,very spoiled.
The one serious political conversation we ever had ,ended when I asked him if there were any parties in Jordan....to which he answered : &quot;Yes, we have lots of parties in Jordan...with great music and everything.&quot;
He never got that I meant &quot;political&quot; parties.....
Good luck, I loved reading this forum and it gives me hope to find a different view of Jordan, and such well educated people writing in it.
I&#039;ll be checking it  from my part of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this forum when I was looking up the news of Samir becoming PM in Jordan, a friend from our college days in Boston had just told me about it and I couldn&#8217;t believe it.<br />
It is refreshing to read this articles and your comments, I am not Jordanian, but fascinated by the position it has in the Middle East and it&#8217;s history. I studied Political Science in Boston in the &#8217;80s and had many Jordanian friends back then.<br />
When I met Samir, I thought it was an incredible opportunity to talk to someone who&#8217;s family was part of Jordan&#8217;s history, so interesting !!&#8230;more like ,so disappointing&#8230;<br />
He was a nice person, but he just lived in another world. One of luxuries and favors, he went to Harvard because of who his father was, didn&#8217;t go much to class, changed his BMW every year for a newer model, lived in a very nice apartment, went shopping in Milan every summer before arriving in Boston&#8230;&#8230;this is the Samir I knew, nice person, well mannered and very ,very spoiled.<br />
The one serious political conversation we ever had ,ended when I asked him if there were any parties in Jordan&#8230;.to which he answered : &#8220;Yes, we have lots of parties in Jordan&#8230;with great music and everything.&#8221;<br />
He never got that I meant &#8220;political&#8221; parties&#8230;..<br />
Good luck, I loved reading this forum and it gives me hope to find a different view of Jordan, and such well educated people writing in it.<br />
I&#8217;ll be checking it  from my part of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Canada - Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-138161</link>
		<dc:creator>Canada - Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings All!

Thank God for this blog! It&#039;s one of the few where we can express ourselves freely with what&#039;s happening n Jordan nowadays. More to say in days to come...

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings All!</p>
<p>Thank God for this blog! It&#8217;s one of the few where we can express ourselves freely with what&#8217;s happening n Jordan nowadays. More to say in days to come&#8230;</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Londoner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Londoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a great article in herald tribune that desribes it as it is

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/world/middleeast/23amman.html?_r=1&amp;scp=2&amp;sq=jordan&amp;st=cse

AMMAN, Jordan — In recent days, King Abdullah II, popularly perceived in the West as being among the most enlightened Middle East leaders, has dismissed the prime minister and replaced him with a palace aide and loyalist, dissolved Parliament and postponed legislative elections for a year.

The king’s decisions were widely seen here as an effort to free the government from a recalcitrant legislature so it could push through financial measures viewed as essential to shoring up an economy burdened by debt and deficit. The Parliament, dissolved midway through its term, had opposed cuts in spending and the reduction of business taxes, key components of the government’s financial plan.

While King Abdullah often talks about human rights and democracy, the reality here is often quite different, rights advocates say. Last month the internal security forces were criticized by human rights groups when two prisoners died in custody.

The king’s recent moves, while aimed at fiscal management, demonstrate the leadership’s continued intention to manipulate and suppress the political process, former officials and political commentators said.

“The nature of humans is they want democracy,” said Ali Dalain, an independent member of the Parliament that was dissolved. “Since 1993, democracy in Jordan has been receding. One person cannot solve all problems and cannot make everyone happy, so people must share in determining their fate.” 

The king tried to blunt that criticism by ordering the government to rework an unpopular election law that limits the ability of voters to select their representatives. But even allies of the government conceded that there was little chance of substantially altering the law, which was instituted in 1993 to keep power out of the hands of certain groups, like the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist organization. 

“There are no fundamental changes; we should not be under any illusions,” said Nawaf Tell, a Foreign Ministry official who is director of the Center for Strategic Studies at the University of Jordan. “Yes, I read the newspapers; hopes are high, but this is not the case, that’s not what is going to happen.”

The king’s credentials as a proponent of democracy were further undermined when he delayed legislative elections and then announced that there would be elections for new local councils, a move termed political sleight of hand by those calling for free elections for Parliament. The councils would have no legislative or decision-making authority, officials said, but would instead work as local administrators and troubleshooters.

“These councils have no political identity, and they will use the councils to improve Jordan’s image,” said Rohile Gharaibeh, deputy secretary general for the Islamic Action Front, the political party for the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan. “This will be how they try to distract people.”

When the king first moved against Parliament and promised to fix the much maligned election law, many groups praised the decision. As the economy has soured, with unemployment around 13 percent, the legislature has developed a reputation for self-interest and incompetence. It also lacked legitimacy because of accusations of vote-buying and fraud in the last election, though former officials say it was the intelligence service that oversaw the electoral manipulation.

Jordan’s actions are nothing out of the ordinary in the Middle East, where kings, emirs, sultans and presidents rely on elected institutions to claim legitimacy and give citizens the perception they have a stake in the direction of the state, political experts said. But those institutions have little independent power or authority. In Egypt, officials in 2006 delayed local elections for two years, saying they would use that time to improve the democratic conditions, though those improvements have not occurred.

When Jordan’s king dissolved Parliament, he also instructed the government to ensure that future elections were a “model of transparency and justice.” By doing that, he focused attention on the election law that was put in effect in 1993 by his father, King Hussein. 

The law shifted control of Parliament away from heavily populated urban centers, with a majority of Palestinians and Islamist supporters, to more rural, tribal-dominated areas. The election law has been preserved over the years because it permitted some degree of public political participation, while allowing the government to preserve a social balance that it sees as essential to keeping Islamists from taking power, and keeping Jordanians of Palestinian origin from winning political control. Of the six million Jordanians, at least half are ethnic Palestinians.

Government supporters say changing the law would undermine the identity of the state and diminish the prospects for the two-state solution to the crisis between the Palestinians and the Israelis. But critics contend that the election law has been used as a political tool to protect old-guard interests.

“I don’t think that King Hussein, when he designed the election law, thought it would reach the situation we are in today,” said Mustafa Hamarneh, a former director of the Center for Strategic Studies, who now edits a weekly magazine. “But there are conservatives who believe that this is the best way to maintain stability.” 

For the moment, the king has focused on the day-to-day management of a struggling economy. The national debt is headed toward $14 billion this year at the same time that the economy is contracting as a result of the global financial crisis. The king rolled out his final reshuffling on Monday, when he swore in a new prime minister, Samir Rifai, 43, a businessman and former palace adviser.

Referring to the flurry of royal decisions, Musa Maaytah, Jordan’s minister of political development, said, “The most important thing now is how to develop political life and increase the participation of citizens.”

Mr. Maaytah holds a post that Jordan says was created to demonstrate the kingdom’s commitment to improving the political environment. But the ministry is also seen as the weakest in the cabinet, political analysts said, a perception underscored in part by there having been seven ministers in the six years the post has existed.

Mr. Maaytah said he hoped the situation in Jordan would improve, but acknowledged that the jury was still out. “I was against dissolving the Parliament,” he conceded. 

Mona El-Naggar contributed reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a great article in herald tribune that desribes it as it is</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/world/middleeast/23amman.html?_r=1&#038;scp=2&#038;sq=jordan&#038;st=cse" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/23/world/middleeast/23amman.html?_r=1&#038;scp=2&#038;sq=jordan&#038;st=cse</a></p>
<p>AMMAN, Jordan — In recent days, King Abdullah II, popularly perceived in the West as being among the most enlightened Middle East leaders, has dismissed the prime minister and replaced him with a palace aide and loyalist, dissolved Parliament and postponed legislative elections for a year.</p>
<p>The king’s decisions were widely seen here as an effort to free the government from a recalcitrant legislature so it could push through financial measures viewed as essential to shoring up an economy burdened by debt and deficit. The Parliament, dissolved midway through its term, had opposed cuts in spending and the reduction of business taxes, key components of the government’s financial plan.</p>
<p>While King Abdullah often talks about human rights and democracy, the reality here is often quite different, rights advocates say. Last month the internal security forces were criticized by human rights groups when two prisoners died in custody.</p>
<p>The king’s recent moves, while aimed at fiscal management, demonstrate the leadership’s continued intention to manipulate and suppress the political process, former officials and political commentators said.</p>
<p>“The nature of humans is they want democracy,” said Ali Dalain, an independent member of the Parliament that was dissolved. “Since 1993, democracy in Jordan has been receding. One person cannot solve all problems and cannot make everyone happy, so people must share in determining their fate.” </p>
<p>The king tried to blunt that criticism by ordering the government to rework an unpopular election law that limits the ability of voters to select their representatives. But even allies of the government conceded that there was little chance of substantially altering the law, which was instituted in 1993 to keep power out of the hands of certain groups, like the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist organization. </p>
<p>“There are no fundamental changes; we should not be under any illusions,” said Nawaf Tell, a Foreign Ministry official who is director of the Center for Strategic Studies at the University of Jordan. “Yes, I read the newspapers; hopes are high, but this is not the case, that’s not what is going to happen.”</p>
<p>The king’s credentials as a proponent of democracy were further undermined when he delayed legislative elections and then announced that there would be elections for new local councils, a move termed political sleight of hand by those calling for free elections for Parliament. The councils would have no legislative or decision-making authority, officials said, but would instead work as local administrators and troubleshooters.</p>
<p>“These councils have no political identity, and they will use the councils to improve Jordan’s image,” said Rohile Gharaibeh, deputy secretary general for the Islamic Action Front, the political party for the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan. “This will be how they try to distract people.”</p>
<p>When the king first moved against Parliament and promised to fix the much maligned election law, many groups praised the decision. As the economy has soured, with unemployment around 13 percent, the legislature has developed a reputation for self-interest and incompetence. It also lacked legitimacy because of accusations of vote-buying and fraud in the last election, though former officials say it was the intelligence service that oversaw the electoral manipulation.</p>
<p>Jordan’s actions are nothing out of the ordinary in the Middle East, where kings, emirs, sultans and presidents rely on elected institutions to claim legitimacy and give citizens the perception they have a stake in the direction of the state, political experts said. But those institutions have little independent power or authority. In Egypt, officials in 2006 delayed local elections for two years, saying they would use that time to improve the democratic conditions, though those improvements have not occurred.</p>
<p>When Jordan’s king dissolved Parliament, he also instructed the government to ensure that future elections were a “model of transparency and justice.” By doing that, he focused attention on the election law that was put in effect in 1993 by his father, King Hussein. </p>
<p>The law shifted control of Parliament away from heavily populated urban centers, with a majority of Palestinians and Islamist supporters, to more rural, tribal-dominated areas. The election law has been preserved over the years because it permitted some degree of public political participation, while allowing the government to preserve a social balance that it sees as essential to keeping Islamists from taking power, and keeping Jordanians of Palestinian origin from winning political control. Of the six million Jordanians, at least half are ethnic Palestinians.</p>
<p>Government supporters say changing the law would undermine the identity of the state and diminish the prospects for the two-state solution to the crisis between the Palestinians and the Israelis. But critics contend that the election law has been used as a political tool to protect old-guard interests.</p>
<p>“I don’t think that King Hussein, when he designed the election law, thought it would reach the situation we are in today,” said Mustafa Hamarneh, a former director of the Center for Strategic Studies, who now edits a weekly magazine. “But there are conservatives who believe that this is the best way to maintain stability.” </p>
<p>For the moment, the king has focused on the day-to-day management of a struggling economy. The national debt is headed toward $14 billion this year at the same time that the economy is contracting as a result of the global financial crisis. The king rolled out his final reshuffling on Monday, when he swore in a new prime minister, Samir Rifai, 43, a businessman and former palace adviser.</p>
<p>Referring to the flurry of royal decisions, Musa Maaytah, Jordan’s minister of political development, said, “The most important thing now is how to develop political life and increase the participation of citizens.”</p>
<p>Mr. Maaytah holds a post that Jordan says was created to demonstrate the kingdom’s commitment to improving the political environment. But the ministry is also seen as the weakest in the cabinet, political analysts said, a perception underscored in part by there having been seven ministers in the six years the post has existed.</p>
<p>Mr. Maaytah said he hoped the situation in Jordan would improve, but acknowledged that the jury was still out. “I was against dissolving the Parliament,” he conceded. </p>
<p>Mona El-Naggar contributed reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen of Democratic Country</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen of Democratic Country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HELL ****! I thought politics in my country is hell bad. but, reading the news that his grandpa, his father and he himself are PMs, i found that, this is s***! And, his father is counsel of honorary and he is the PM is something real bull****! Shit on those corrupt people! Yalla7 boi....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HELL ****! I thought politics in my country is hell bad. but, reading the news that his grandpa, his father and he himself are PMs, i found that, this is s***! And, his father is counsel of honorary and he is the PM is something real bull****! Shit on those corrupt people! Yalla7 boi&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mazen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mazen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nas,

I have placed a blog on your site since around 2 months or so ref my ordeal with obtaining my JOrdanian Nationality. I&#039;m thankful for your offer to assist me and I did supply you with all the supporting documents.

I had planned and executed an investment of 4 million JOD on airport grounds fopr Jordan (you know my full story by now).

I spent 15 years in my company and chose to come to Jordan; his Majesty the King was so generous in offering me the Jordanian Nationality by means of a &#039;Royal&#039; instruction and since over a year now.

No one in Jordan from X-PM or any of the senior people that heard my story cared even to help, assist or even clarify to me why was I deprived of what is my right.Would you think the new PM would take an interest in giving me my Jordanian Nationality based on the order of His Majesty - or may be you could help in making my voice and case reach his desk..??

You are a free journalist and I respect your blog and your professional way of objectively looking at things; so can I bother you with getting my voice heard..!!! Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nas,</p>
<p>I have placed a blog on your site since around 2 months or so ref my ordeal with obtaining my JOrdanian Nationality. I&#8217;m thankful for your offer to assist me and I did supply you with all the supporting documents.</p>
<p>I had planned and executed an investment of 4 million JOD on airport grounds fopr Jordan (you know my full story by now).</p>
<p>I spent 15 years in my company and chose to come to Jordan; his Majesty the King was so generous in offering me the Jordanian Nationality by means of a &#8216;Royal&#8217; instruction and since over a year now.</p>
<p>No one in Jordan from X-PM or any of the senior people that heard my story cared even to help, assist or even clarify to me why was I deprived of what is my right.Would you think the new PM would take an interest in giving me my Jordanian Nationality based on the order of His Majesty &#8211; or may be you could help in making my voice and case reach his desk..??</p>
<p>You are a free journalist and I respect your blog and your professional way of objectively looking at things; so can I bother you with getting my voice heard..!!! Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The study, which was conducted by the National Centre for Human Rights (NCHR), categorised the country’s 15 political parties into four groups - Islamists, nationalists, leftists and moderates. &quot;

pretending jordan has political parties .. thats cute</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The study, which was conducted by the National Centre for Human Rights (NCHR), categorised the country’s 15 political parties into four groups &#8211; Islamists, nationalists, leftists and moderates. &#8221;</p>
<p>pretending jordan has political parties .. thats cute</p>
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		<title>By: susie</title>
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		<dc:creator>susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the article that gave me cause to reinforce some of my concerns.  It was in the Jordan Times of the 21st  December  I have not as yet seen the actual report and I do not known if it will be available in the public domain, but I found this report interesting and worrying.  


By Hani Hazaimeh

AMMAN - The Kingdom&#039;s Islamist parties are the least concerned with human rights among other political parties in the country, according to a study revealed on Sunday.

The study, which was conducted by the National Centre for Human Rights (NCHR), categorised the country&#039;s 15 political parties into four groups - Islamists, nationalists, leftists and moderates. 

It used a content analysis methodology that reviewed each party&#039;s agenda, principles and objectives as well as their activities to assess the extent to which they focus on human rights, said Nitham Barakat, who headed the team that compiled the study........................The 102-page study showed that Islamic parties&#039; charters made the least mention of equality, accounting for only 13.64 per cent of all references to equality in party charters. In comparison, moderate parties accounted for 33.64 per cent of such references...........................Barakat explained that the founding documents of leftist and Islamic parties do not include any references to the right to life, freedom of movement or freedom from torture and cruel treatment, whereas moderate and nationalist parties stress these rights in their agendas.........

On another point.   If  a sense of being disenranchised is a valid  excuse for  apathy, India might still be ruled by the British, South Africa would be in the thrall of apartheid, and the Czech Republic would still be Czechoslavakia under communist rule.  So I totally agree with Yet Another Jordanian@ Making your voice heard isnt just about yelling and typing, its about doing. Making an effort despite whatever obstacles are in the way, to overcome and create solutions to the problems.   Nas&#039; recent post also  finds a resonance with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the article that gave me cause to reinforce some of my concerns.  It was in the Jordan Times of the 21st  December  I have not as yet seen the actual report and I do not known if it will be available in the public domain, but I found this report interesting and worrying.  </p>
<p>By Hani Hazaimeh</p>
<p>AMMAN &#8211; The Kingdom&#8217;s Islamist parties are the least concerned with human rights among other political parties in the country, according to a study revealed on Sunday.</p>
<p>The study, which was conducted by the National Centre for Human Rights (NCHR), categorised the country&#8217;s 15 political parties into four groups &#8211; Islamists, nationalists, leftists and moderates. </p>
<p>It used a content analysis methodology that reviewed each party&#8217;s agenda, principles and objectives as well as their activities to assess the extent to which they focus on human rights, said Nitham Barakat, who headed the team that compiled the study&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;The 102-page study showed that Islamic parties&#8217; charters made the least mention of equality, accounting for only 13.64 per cent of all references to equality in party charters. In comparison, moderate parties accounted for 33.64 per cent of such references&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Barakat explained that the founding documents of leftist and Islamic parties do not include any references to the right to life, freedom of movement or freedom from torture and cruel treatment, whereas moderate and nationalist parties stress these rights in their agendas&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>On another point.   If  a sense of being disenranchised is a valid  excuse for  apathy, India might still be ruled by the British, South Africa would be in the thrall of apartheid, and the Czech Republic would still be Czechoslavakia under communist rule.  So I totally agree with Yet Another Jordanian@ Making your voice heard isnt just about yelling and typing, its about doing. Making an effort despite whatever obstacles are in the way, to overcome and create solutions to the problems.   Nas&#8217; recent post also  finds a resonance with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Yet Another Jordanian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yet Another Jordanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I urge you again to read the history of social movements in countries all over the world, just in the past 50 years at least. In order for things to change people have to sacrifice, not just sit and complain. Making your voice heard isnt just about yelling and typing, its about doing. Making an effort despite whatever obstacles are in the way, to overcome and create solutions to the problems. 

What I am trying to say is that people were scared of Pinochet and his secret police in Chile and the dictatorship in Argentina but the mothers of Plaza De Mayo went out and demonstrated and demanded to know what happened to their songs despite knowing that they might face the same fate as their children. Thankfully I don&#039;t think anyone has to face such a fate in Jordan, but there needs to be an active civil society in order for things to change.

Most of our civil society organizations and efforts are non-political, but they still benefit the lives of everyday Jordanians and make a difference. It doesn’t have to be politically charged in order for things to change in a benificial way to the population. Democracy isnt going to be the solution to all of Jordan’s problems I&#039;m sorry to say. Communism might have been a great idea, but whose been able to implement it properly? They have democracy in the US but they still have an active civil society element that fills in for where the government doesnt/can/wont etc. The argument that there has to be democracy for civil society to be active and thrive is wrong and history has proven that over and over. I&#039;ve lived in a democracy for many years and I&#039;ve seen its flaws.

In Development Economics, there has to be a triggering factor for an economy to get out of its unproductive cycle, I was taught that started with the need for entrepreneurs to go out and take risks and start enterprises. Debating that is another issue but the point there is that there needs to be a trigger, and that trigger isnt going to be effortless and free, it might have a cost, but when has anything ever been free in this world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I urge you again to read the history of social movements in countries all over the world, just in the past 50 years at least. In order for things to change people have to sacrifice, not just sit and complain. Making your voice heard isnt just about yelling and typing, its about doing. Making an effort despite whatever obstacles are in the way, to overcome and create solutions to the problems. </p>
<p>What I am trying to say is that people were scared of Pinochet and his secret police in Chile and the dictatorship in Argentina but the mothers of Plaza De Mayo went out and demonstrated and demanded to know what happened to their songs despite knowing that they might face the same fate as their children. Thankfully I don&#8217;t think anyone has to face such a fate in Jordan, but there needs to be an active civil society in order for things to change.</p>
<p>Most of our civil society organizations and efforts are non-political, but they still benefit the lives of everyday Jordanians and make a difference. It doesn’t have to be politically charged in order for things to change in a benificial way to the population. Democracy isnt going to be the solution to all of Jordan’s problems I&#8217;m sorry to say. Communism might have been a great idea, but whose been able to implement it properly? They have democracy in the US but they still have an active civil society element that fills in for where the government doesnt/can/wont etc. The argument that there has to be democracy for civil society to be active and thrive is wrong and history has proven that over and over. I&#8217;ve lived in a democracy for many years and I&#8217;ve seen its flaws.</p>
<p>In Development Economics, there has to be a triggering factor for an economy to get out of its unproductive cycle, I was taught that started with the need for entrepreneurs to go out and take risks and start enterprises. Debating that is another issue but the point there is that there needs to be a trigger, and that trigger isnt going to be effortless and free, it might have a cost, but when has anything ever been free in this world?</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“perhaps .. but none of those have anything to do with politics so i dont get how its relevant to what we are talking about”

our failure to connect those socially transforming ideas (and many others) to the larger political picture is one of the biggest sources for our current malaise and our acquiescent natures. 

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if any of those groups got political and started getting &quot;ideas&quot; .. dont you agree that someone would start listening in on their conversations .. maybe call in their president to have a little chat ..
what im trying to say is that we (the people) are not lazy or aqueiscent or whatever else .. we are just scared of what might happen if we decided to say something .. we are terrified of what might happen if we &quot;got involved&quot; .. the prevalent attitude is &quot;بمشي الحيط الحيط ويارب الستر&quot; ..

ill give u a personal example .. during the war on gaza .. i live in riyadh .. now protests are banned in ksa .. forget about expatriates in saudi .. do you think the saudi ppl didnt want to protest .. i assure u that they did .. but they were scared of what might happen if they did .. the state went so far as to prod the mufti to declare that protests are wrong .. 

so it all boils down to this .. change must come from the people .. no doubt about that .. but the people are too scared to do anything .. this environment of fear has been created by the state .. so unless the people grow some balls .. the status quo is going to continue .. 
take iran&#039;s protestors as an example .. they get beaten they get arrested they even get killed .. but they have balls .. however i admit they have the media coverage working for them .. if the same protests happened in a country that the US considers an ally the coverage would definitely not be the same .. but still ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“perhaps .. but none of those have anything to do with politics so i dont get how its relevant to what we are talking about”</p>
<p>our failure to connect those socially transforming ideas (and many others) to the larger political picture is one of the biggest sources for our current malaise and our acquiescent natures. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>if any of those groups got political and started getting &#8220;ideas&#8221; .. dont you agree that someone would start listening in on their conversations .. maybe call in their president to have a little chat ..<br />
what im trying to say is that we (the people) are not lazy or aqueiscent or whatever else .. we are just scared of what might happen if we decided to say something .. we are terrified of what might happen if we &#8220;got involved&#8221; .. the prevalent attitude is &#8220;بمشي الحيط الحيط ويارب الستر&#8221; ..</p>
<p>ill give u a personal example .. during the war on gaza .. i live in riyadh .. now protests are banned in ksa .. forget about expatriates in saudi .. do you think the saudi ppl didnt want to protest .. i assure u that they did .. but they were scared of what might happen if they did .. the state went so far as to prod the mufti to declare that protests are wrong .. </p>
<p>so it all boils down to this .. change must come from the people .. no doubt about that .. but the people are too scared to do anything .. this environment of fear has been created by the state .. so unless the people grow some balls .. the status quo is going to continue ..<br />
take iran&#8217;s protestors as an example .. they get beaten they get arrested they even get killed .. but they have balls .. however i admit they have the media coverage working for them .. if the same protests happened in a country that the US considers an ally the coverage would definitely not be the same .. but still ..</p>
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		<title>By: Mohanned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohanned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; in the sense that they serve the government’s purpose. im not sure that’s true, especially when considering their history in the country and the region.&quot; 

If by purpose you mean prviding social services in the land of the &quot;7ashd an reba6&quot; then yeah. They simply thrived for being there at the right time in the right place. They built on their initial success that was a direct result of the government support and protection. One can look at their status in egypt to compare..And don&#039;t forget the relationship between king hussein and abdulnaser..We drifted way beyond the original purpose, but I felt the urge to clarify..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; in the sense that they serve the government’s purpose. im not sure that’s true, especially when considering their history in the country and the region.&#8221; </p>
<p>If by purpose you mean prviding social services in the land of the &#8220;7ashd an reba6&#8243; then yeah. They simply thrived for being there at the right time in the right place. They built on their initial success that was a direct result of the government support and protection. One can look at their status in egypt to compare..And don&#8217;t forget the relationship between king hussein and abdulnaser..We drifted way beyond the original purpose, but I felt the urge to clarify..</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137965</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@mo:&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;my point is this .. while i agree with the notion that the change must come from the people, it appears to me that the laws and policies in place also agree with this and therefore make every effort to snuff out any kind of initiative from the people ..&quot;

i agree with you in principle, and those laws need to be seriously re-examined no doubt. the trouble is, to get something positive done; to create real social change, does not require a protest or a permission slip from the governor. we need to start looking at social movements as being strictly political and strictly as something that will illicit the bashing of heads from the state&#039;s police force.

and although i dont want to get in to a discussion about police brutality, i should point out that while it does exist, of the hundred plus protests that ive been to in jordan over the past decade, the majority of fights tend to start with a protester throwing a stone at a policeman, followed by the group organizer yelling at him to fall back, followed by others throwing things, followed by the police captain getting fed up. again, im not saying that this happens in all cases, just the overwhelming majority of the political protests ive seen that have led to that (the majority of licensed protests do not end with anyone being beaten so let&#039;s not confuse jordan with egypt).

&quot;and thats exactly why they are considered public enemy #1 by the state … do you think the state will allow another ikhwan to appear .. by another ikhwan i dont mean another body that shares their ideology .. just one that shares their organization and influence&quot;

i think mohanned&#039;s argument was that the ikhwan exist because the government allows them to, in the sense that they serve the government&#039;s purpose. im not sure that&#039;s true, especially when considering their history in the country and the region.

that said, there are a multitude of religious and non-religious organizations that already exist on the ground that are not associated with the ikhwan. all of them are allowed to operate and ive researched, spoken to, interviewed and worked with a few in recent years. what makes the ikhwan strictly unique in this sense is their long history of social activism, and of course their numbers - outmatching anything else that&#039;s available. 

again, the reason i mentioned them in the first place is not because of their politics nor their religious convictions, but their ability to mobilize and create an unrivaled organization when it comes to social activism in their respective communities (and they are many). this social movement has had its impact on a religious and political level within these communities and depending where one stands, this may be seen as positive or negative. what cannot be denied as that they have managed to have an enormous social impact despite the obstacles set up by the system and the state that we constantly complain about. 

if they had simply sat down and said, you know what, there&#039;s nothing we can do because the system is against us and the country&#039;s leadership is against us and everyone is corrupt and everything is terrible - then the social power base they have now would be non-existent. 

they exist not merely in light of the system&#039;s obstacles but because of them.

&quot;perhaps .. but none of those have anything to do with politics so i dont get how its relevant to what we are talking about&quot;

our failure to connect those socially transforming ideas (and many others) to the larger political picture is one of the biggest sources for our current malaise and our acquiescent natures. 


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&lt;b&gt;@susie:&lt;/b&gt; i haven&#039;t read it but it would be great if you wrote something about it and published it on 7iber.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@mo:</b></p>
<p>&#8220;my point is this .. while i agree with the notion that the change must come from the people, it appears to me that the laws and policies in place also agree with this and therefore make every effort to snuff out any kind of initiative from the people ..&#8221;</p>
<p>i agree with you in principle, and those laws need to be seriously re-examined no doubt. the trouble is, to get something positive done; to create real social change, does not require a protest or a permission slip from the governor. we need to start looking at social movements as being strictly political and strictly as something that will illicit the bashing of heads from the state&#8217;s police force.</p>
<p>and although i dont want to get in to a discussion about police brutality, i should point out that while it does exist, of the hundred plus protests that ive been to in jordan over the past decade, the majority of fights tend to start with a protester throwing a stone at a policeman, followed by the group organizer yelling at him to fall back, followed by others throwing things, followed by the police captain getting fed up. again, im not saying that this happens in all cases, just the overwhelming majority of the political protests ive seen that have led to that (the majority of licensed protests do not end with anyone being beaten so let&#8217;s not confuse jordan with egypt).</p>
<p>&#8220;and thats exactly why they are considered public enemy #1 by the state … do you think the state will allow another ikhwan to appear .. by another ikhwan i dont mean another body that shares their ideology .. just one that shares their organization and influence&#8221;</p>
<p>i think mohanned&#8217;s argument was that the ikhwan exist because the government allows them to, in the sense that they serve the government&#8217;s purpose. im not sure that&#8217;s true, especially when considering their history in the country and the region.</p>
<p>that said, there are a multitude of religious and non-religious organizations that already exist on the ground that are not associated with the ikhwan. all of them are allowed to operate and ive researched, spoken to, interviewed and worked with a few in recent years. what makes the ikhwan strictly unique in this sense is their long history of social activism, and of course their numbers &#8211; outmatching anything else that&#8217;s available. </p>
<p>again, the reason i mentioned them in the first place is not because of their politics nor their religious convictions, but their ability to mobilize and create an unrivaled organization when it comes to social activism in their respective communities (and they are many). this social movement has had its impact on a religious and political level within these communities and depending where one stands, this may be seen as positive or negative. what cannot be denied as that they have managed to have an enormous social impact despite the obstacles set up by the system and the state that we constantly complain about. </p>
<p>if they had simply sat down and said, you know what, there&#8217;s nothing we can do because the system is against us and the country&#8217;s leadership is against us and everyone is corrupt and everything is terrible &#8211; then the social power base they have now would be non-existent. </p>
<p>they exist not merely in light of the system&#8217;s obstacles but because of them.</p>
<p>&#8220;perhaps .. but none of those have anything to do with politics so i dont get how its relevant to what we are talking about&#8221;</p>
<p>our failure to connect those socially transforming ideas (and many others) to the larger political picture is one of the biggest sources for our current malaise and our acquiescent natures. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p><b>@susie:</b> i haven&#8217;t read it but it would be great if you wrote something about it and published it on 7iber.com</p>
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		<title>By: Ameera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ameera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think what Susie wrote was naive.. I think the point is that change can come from many different elements and these changes combined can transform the society and government to something better. If everyone is waiting for the other side to change first, we will stand still forever.. 
Plus, great people are not great because they did what other people expected them to do. They are unique and inspirational because they did what most people didn&#039;t expect them to do. So why not do something good for your country even if you feel that your country was not good to you? if you don&#039;t do anything, nothing will ever change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think what Susie wrote was naive.. I think the point is that change can come from many different elements and these changes combined can transform the society and government to something better. If everyone is waiting for the other side to change first, we will stand still forever..<br />
Plus, great people are not great because they did what other people expected them to do. They are unique and inspirational because they did what most people didn&#8217;t expect them to do. So why not do something good for your country even if you feel that your country was not good to you? if you don&#8217;t do anything, nothing will ever change.</p>
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		<title>By: observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susie , I think what you wrote is naive. As someone living in a democratic state I can tell you that first citizens need to feel that they have a say in who&#039;s leading the country, that they can influence and have a say in the decisions taken regarding the political, economic, social aspects of the state they live in before they&#039;d want to start volunteering and taking intiatives like cleaning forrests etc., which in no way can change that that grim reality.
If the leaders of a state are not elected by its citizens in free elections, are not accountable in anyway to the citizens, enjoy much higher standard of living compared to most citizens, this creates detachment between the citizens and the state. Is it really the citizens&#039; state? they don&#039;t have any control or say in how the state is run. Leaders come and go without them able to control it. Why would they have the motivation to do something for the state? Doing something for the state is like cooperating with the existing political structure and helping it. When there is such injustice - that they are exculded from the political, social, economical desicion making processes - why would they want to be good citizens? They have a right to be angry, and when someone is angry, he or she doesn&#039;t feel like volunteering to clean forrests or do anything helpful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susie , I think what you wrote is naive. As someone living in a democratic state I can tell you that first citizens need to feel that they have a say in who&#8217;s leading the country, that they can influence and have a say in the decisions taken regarding the political, economic, social aspects of the state they live in before they&#8217;d want to start volunteering and taking intiatives like cleaning forrests etc., which in no way can change that that grim reality.<br />
If the leaders of a state are not elected by its citizens in free elections, are not accountable in anyway to the citizens, enjoy much higher standard of living compared to most citizens, this creates detachment between the citizens and the state. Is it really the citizens&#8217; state? they don&#8217;t have any control or say in how the state is run. Leaders come and go without them able to control it. Why would they have the motivation to do something for the state? Doing something for the state is like cooperating with the existing political structure and helping it. When there is such injustice &#8211; that they are exculded from the political, social, economical desicion making processes &#8211; why would they want to be good citizens? They have a right to be angry, and when someone is angry, he or she doesn&#8217;t feel like volunteering to clean forrests or do anything helpful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137960</link>
		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>susie said ...
I do not believe that official authorisation is needed to start Parent Teacher organisations, voluntary self help groups, book clubs, choral or debating societies, support groups for hospitals, orphanages, prisons, rehabiltation centres and such like, nor for cleaning up a forest, or an archaelogical site, etc etc. 

perhaps .. but none of those have anything to do with politics so i dont get how its relevant to what we are talking about</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>susie said &#8230;<br />
I do not believe that official authorisation is needed to start Parent Teacher organisations, voluntary self help groups, book clubs, choral or debating societies, support groups for hospitals, orphanages, prisons, rehabiltation centres and such like, nor for cleaning up a forest, or an archaelogical site, etc etc. </p>
<p>perhaps .. but none of those have anything to do with politics so i dont get how its relevant to what we are talking about</p>
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		<title>By: susie</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137959</link>
		<dc:creator>susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In keeping with Nas&#039; argument that people must  also start to help themselves.  I do not believe that official authorisation is needed to start Parent Teacher  organisations,  voluntary self help groups,  book clubs,  choral or debating  societies, support groups for hospitals, orphanages, prisons, rehabiltation centres and  such like, nor for  cleaning up a forest, or an archaelogical site, etc etc.   A lot of these are noe emeraging, but nearly eough, and not nearly fast enough.  I have noticed that  when  people do get together publically,  in the large majority of cases it seems to that their sole aim is to nullify  Jordan&#039;s peace treaty with Israel and picket the Israeli Embassy.  Obviously, they are not going anywhwere soon  with that line of thinking, but that should not stop them from working in  other areas of national and public good.   Having worked in the voluntary field here for many decades I am saddened that prortionally to our population, so many  of the people who  want  to work simply for altruistic reasons are often foreigners.  Remember what  JFK said.....&quot; ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In keeping with Nas&#8217; argument that people must  also start to help themselves.  I do not believe that official authorisation is needed to start Parent Teacher  organisations,  voluntary self help groups,  book clubs,  choral or debating  societies, support groups for hospitals, orphanages, prisons, rehabiltation centres and  such like, nor for  cleaning up a forest, or an archaelogical site, etc etc.   A lot of these are noe emeraging, but nearly eough, and not nearly fast enough.  I have noticed that  when  people do get together publically,  in the large majority of cases it seems to that their sole aim is to nullify  Jordan&#8217;s peace treaty with Israel and picket the Israeli Embassy.  Obviously, they are not going anywhwere soon  with that line of thinking, but that should not stop them from working in  other areas of national and public good.   Having worked in the voluntary field here for many decades I am saddened that prortionally to our population, so many  of the people who  want  to work simply for altruistic reasons are often foreigners.  Remember what  JFK said&#8230;..&#8221; ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The OBL watch &#171; The Zeitgeist Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OBL watch &#171; The Zeitgeist Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a side note:  For anyone interested in Jordanian politics, this post up at The Black Iris &#8211; and the comments &#8211; should be your read of the week. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yet Another Jordanian</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137951</link>
		<dc:creator>Yet Another Jordanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I encourage some of you to read up on Social Movements around the world, you will be surprized by what others have faced in order to make change...</description>
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		<title>By: susie</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137950</link>
		<dc:creator>susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone read the report on the recent  study conducted by the National Centre  for Human Rights ?  It has some worrying istatistics, to me at least.</description>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nas said
&quot;the muslim brotherhood is the perfect example of a social body that organized itself, funded itself, maintained itself, and empowered itself not only in the absence of government but despite the obstacles the government put up for them specifically. whether we agree with their politics and beliefs is besides the point. the point is that they did not wait around for the government to give them anything, they did it themselves, empowering thousands in the process. &quot;

and thats exactly why they are considered public enemy #1 by the state ... do you think the state will allow another ikhwan to appear .. by another ikhwan i dont mean another body that shares their ideology .. just one that shares their organization and influence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nas said<br />
&#8220;the muslim brotherhood is the perfect example of a social body that organized itself, funded itself, maintained itself, and empowered itself not only in the absence of government but despite the obstacles the government put up for them specifically. whether we agree with their politics and beliefs is besides the point. the point is that they did not wait around for the government to give them anything, they did it themselves, empowering thousands in the process. &#8221;</p>
<p>and thats exactly why they are considered public enemy #1 by the state &#8230; do you think the state will allow another ikhwan to appear .. by another ikhwan i dont mean another body that shares their ideology .. just one that shares their organization and influence</p>
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		<title>By: mo</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137948</link>
		<dc:creator>mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didnt read all the comments to be honest .. but i saw ppl saying that we shouldnt blame the leadership that the people are responsible too .. ok but .. whenever people try to do something they always end up getting beaten .. how about the law that they have to get approval from the governor before any kind of assembly .. my point is this .. while i agree with the notion that the change must come from the people, it appears to me that the laws and policies in place also agree with this and therefore make every effort to snuff out any kind of initiative from the people ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didnt read all the comments to be honest .. but i saw ppl saying that we shouldnt blame the leadership that the people are responsible too .. ok but .. whenever people try to do something they always end up getting beaten .. how about the law that they have to get approval from the governor before any kind of assembly .. my point is this .. while i agree with the notion that the change must come from the people, it appears to me that the laws and policies in place also agree with this and therefore make every effort to snuff out any kind of initiative from the people ..</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137947</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your logic kinda reminds of this ..&quot;

yeah, i dont get it. 

but here&#039;s a thought, instead of trying to draw analogies, it&#039;s healthier if you just enter the debate with your arguments which we can dissect respectfully.

casting stones from the sidelines never helps :-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your logic kinda reminds of this ..&#8221;</p>
<p>yeah, i dont get it. </p>
<p>but here&#8217;s a thought, instead of trying to draw analogies, it&#8217;s healthier if you just enter the debate with your arguments which we can dissect respectfully.</p>
<p>casting stones from the sidelines never helps <img src='http://www.black-iris.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137944</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>منقول 

الملك يغادر ارض الوطن في زيارة خاصة 
  
(بترا) - غادر جلالة الملك عبدالله الثاني ارض الوطن الجمعة في زيارة خاصة.وادى سمو الامير فيصل بن الحسين اليمين الدستورية بحضور هيئة الوزارة نائبا لجلالة الملك

الملك لا يقول لشعبه ما مناسبة هذه الزيارة الخاصة ... واين سيقضيها ؟ ولماذا الان ؟

الملك قام خلال هذا العام ب 43 اجازة خاصة قضاها في الخارج على نفقة الشعب الاردني واصطحب معه زوجته واهلها وصديقاتها كما اصطحب اصدقائه واستأجر شاليهات ويخوت فاخرة وشملت زياراته الخاصة التزلج في كولورادو ولعب القمار في لاس فيغاس وكازينو لندن وزيارة مزرعة للخمور ... هذا طبعا عدا عن الزيارات التي تأخذ طابعا رسميا بحجة القاء محاضرة هنا او زيارة جامعة هناك وهذه ايضا تتحول بعد نصف ساعة الى اجازة خاصة

وللمقارنة فقط ... ملك المغرب لم يغادر مملكته خلال الفترة نفسها الا مرتين في زيارات رسمية ولم يظهر مع زوجته بملابس داخلية كما ظهر ملك الاردن وهو يشرب بيرة بد لايت في يخت فاخر في ايطاليا قبل اشهر ... الرئيس السوري لم يقم مع زوجته باية زيارة خاصة للخارج ويقضي اجازاته القصيرة مع زوجته اما بحضور مسرحية في حلب او بزيارة منطقة كسب ...  الملك عبدالله تفوق حتى على والده الملك حسين ... المرحوم الملك حسين قام خلال  السنوات العشر الاخيرة من حكمه ب 12 زيارة فقط وكلها كانت لاسباب مرضية</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>منقول </p>
<p>الملك يغادر ارض الوطن في زيارة خاصة </p>
<p>(بترا) &#8211; غادر جلالة الملك عبدالله الثاني ارض الوطن الجمعة في زيارة خاصة.وادى سمو الامير فيصل بن الحسين اليمين الدستورية بحضور هيئة الوزارة نائبا لجلالة الملك</p>
<p>الملك لا يقول لشعبه ما مناسبة هذه الزيارة الخاصة &#8230; واين سيقضيها ؟ ولماذا الان ؟</p>
<p>الملك قام خلال هذا العام ب 43 اجازة خاصة قضاها في الخارج على نفقة الشعب الاردني واصطحب معه زوجته واهلها وصديقاتها كما اصطحب اصدقائه واستأجر شاليهات ويخوت فاخرة وشملت زياراته الخاصة التزلج في كولورادو ولعب القمار في لاس فيغاس وكازينو لندن وزيارة مزرعة للخمور &#8230; هذا طبعا عدا عن الزيارات التي تأخذ طابعا رسميا بحجة القاء محاضرة هنا او زيارة جامعة هناك وهذه ايضا تتحول بعد نصف ساعة الى اجازة خاصة</p>
<p>وللمقارنة فقط &#8230; ملك المغرب لم يغادر مملكته خلال الفترة نفسها الا مرتين في زيارات رسمية ولم يظهر مع زوجته بملابس داخلية كما ظهر ملك الاردن وهو يشرب بيرة بد لايت في يخت فاخر في ايطاليا قبل اشهر &#8230; الرئيس السوري لم يقم مع زوجته باية زيارة خاصة للخارج ويقضي اجازاته القصيرة مع زوجته اما بحضور مسرحية في حلب او بزيارة منطقة كسب &#8230;  الملك عبدالله تفوق حتى على والده الملك حسين &#8230; المرحوم الملك حسين قام خلال  السنوات العشر الاخيرة من حكمه ب 12 زيارة فقط وكلها كانت لاسباب مرضية</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137943</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MUSA 

&quot;Every population who has ever lived in a banana republic under a corrupt dictator with expensive hobbies has managed to console itself by pointing to a few things (or accomplishments) that create the illusion that they are not living under a corrupt autocratic regime.&quot;  

One of the most powerful statements I&#039;ve ever read  .. You should write a book. Seriously. 


@ NAS

Your logic kinda reminds of this .. 
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JENNINGS: Excuse me for interrupting. Who decides democratic maturity? Who is --.

ABDULLAH: The people.

JENNINGS: -- as of now, you decide democratic maturity?

ABDULLAH: Well in this particular position, we formed the government, that the parliament is elected by the people. But to encourage that, I mean, I have been in discussions with parliamentarians that would it be stronger for you to create where you stand on issues of education, social services, et cetera, et cetera, so that you can create a political party so that in the future, the people actually pick you for where you stand, and not because you happen to be a cousin or a tribal member? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MUSA </p>
<p>&#8220;Every population who has ever lived in a banana republic under a corrupt dictator with expensive hobbies has managed to console itself by pointing to a few things (or accomplishments) that create the illusion that they are not living under a corrupt autocratic regime.&#8221;  </p>
<p>One of the most powerful statements I&#8217;ve ever read  .. You should write a book. Seriously. </p>
<p>@ NAS</p>
<p>Your logic kinda reminds of this ..<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
JENNINGS: Excuse me for interrupting. Who decides democratic maturity? Who is &#8211;.</p>
<p>ABDULLAH: The people.</p>
<p>JENNINGS: &#8212; as of now, you decide democratic maturity?</p>
<p>ABDULLAH: Well in this particular position, we formed the government, that the parliament is elected by the people. But to encourage that, I mean, I have been in discussions with parliamentarians that would it be stronger for you to create where you stand on issues of education, social services, et cetera, et cetera, so that you can create a political party so that in the future, the people actually pick you for where you stand, and not because you happen to be a cousin or a tribal member?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137941</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Continue,,,and I would use it from time to time.&quot;

.........??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Continue,,,and I would use it from time to time.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;??</p>
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		<title>By: The Free Jordanian</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137939</link>
		<dc:creator>The Free Jordanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continue,,,and I would use it from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continue,,,and I would use it from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: The Free Jordanian</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137938</link>
		<dc:creator>The Free Jordanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Propognda is not only state property, people companies ,leaders and indivdual like you and I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Propognda is not only state property, people companies ,leaders and indivdual like you and I</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137936</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@free jordanian:

&quot;I never uttered the word state or government propaganda in my comment&quot;

then how do you define propaganda in the context you used it?

&quot;A Good journalist would run a correction immediately..&quot;

i am not a journalist nor do i claim to be one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@free jordanian:</p>
<p>&#8220;I never uttered the word state or government propaganda in my comment&#8221;</p>
<p>then how do you define propaganda in the context you used it?</p>
<p>&#8220;A Good journalist would run a correction immediately..&#8221;</p>
<p>i am not a journalist nor do i claim to be one</p>
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		<title>By: Nas</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137935</link>
		<dc:creator>Nas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The system is killing our abilities. The system is making us disengaged objects. The system is exporting us abroad. The system is not handing us anything for the sake of our advancement. The system only cares about maintaining itself.&quot;

if this is true then we should assume that any social reform on the ground level must happen despite the presence of the system. to me, that is the very definition of an organic social movement. that&#039;s what&#039;s needed. it&#039;s happened all over the world. 

&quot;in my opinion it is only the first step. to excercise freedom of speech. to demand accountability. To ask for checks and balances. to focus the attention on what is imprtant.&quot;

this is where i have trouble. i agree with this premise as any sane person would, but i also live in this environment; this environment where i see the majority of people not accountable for their own actions. the cheating, the fraud, the robbery, the disregard of ethics, etc. getting the simplest of tasks done in jordan is a whirlwind of trouble because you have to deal with employees (private or public) who have no work ethic. unfortunately they represent a majority but i use this as an example to say, yeah, i&#039;d love to see accountability on the executive level, but what about the millions underneath? good leaderships helps but it can only do so much to change the core values in a people. 

&quot;social change takes time…protecting our country can’t wait.&quot;

yes, but in my opinion it is a pre-requisite. you can have all the free elections you want, but without genuine social reform you will not only yield unfortunate results but the people will remain generally apathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The system is killing our abilities. The system is making us disengaged objects. The system is exporting us abroad. The system is not handing us anything for the sake of our advancement. The system only cares about maintaining itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>if this is true then we should assume that any social reform on the ground level must happen despite the presence of the system. to me, that is the very definition of an organic social movement. that&#8217;s what&#8217;s needed. it&#8217;s happened all over the world. </p>
<p>&#8220;in my opinion it is only the first step. to excercise freedom of speech. to demand accountability. To ask for checks and balances. to focus the attention on what is imprtant.&#8221;</p>
<p>this is where i have trouble. i agree with this premise as any sane person would, but i also live in this environment; this environment where i see the majority of people not accountable for their own actions. the cheating, the fraud, the robbery, the disregard of ethics, etc. getting the simplest of tasks done in jordan is a whirlwind of trouble because you have to deal with employees (private or public) who have no work ethic. unfortunately they represent a majority but i use this as an example to say, yeah, i&#8217;d love to see accountability on the executive level, but what about the millions underneath? good leaderships helps but it can only do so much to change the core values in a people. </p>
<p>&#8220;social change takes time…protecting our country can’t wait.&#8221;</p>
<p>yes, but in my opinion it is a pre-requisite. you can have all the free elections you want, but without genuine social reform you will not only yield unfortunate results but the people will remain generally apathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: The Free Jordanian</title>
		<link>http://www.black-iris.com/2009/12/09/samir-rifai-appointed-new-prime-minister-of-jordan/#comment-137933</link>
		<dc:creator>The Free Jordanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;  a sentiment echoed by the Free Jordanian above when referring to my opinions as state propaganda even though i do not work for the state and frequently speak out against the state when i deem it necessary. this in itself is a lack of our own maturity and selfishness: &quot;
 Come on Nas , This is just pure misrepresentation of I wrote and one could argue it&#039;s out right disinformation about fellow blogger, my comments speak loud and clear and what I have written in your blog and let me quote my self to clarify to the people and particularly to you Nassem &quot;What a piece of propaganda Nas,,, you must be kidding me ,,you know and i know that what you wrote is false ,&quot; This is what I wrote no more or less
  I never uttered the word state or government propaganda in my comment ,so I didn&#039;t know where you came up with this ?
  A Good journalist would run a correction immediately..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;  a sentiment echoed by the Free Jordanian above when referring to my opinions as state propaganda even though i do not work for the state and frequently speak out against the state when i deem it necessary. this in itself is a lack of our own maturity and selfishness: &#8221;<br />
 Come on Nas , This is just pure misrepresentation of I wrote and one could argue it&#8217;s out right disinformation about fellow blogger, my comments speak loud and clear and what I have written in your blog and let me quote my self to clarify to the people and particularly to you Nassem &#8220;What a piece of propaganda Nas,,, you must be kidding me ,,you know and i know that what you wrote is false ,&#8221; This is what I wrote no more or less<br />
  I never uttered the word state or government propaganda in my comment ,so I didn&#8217;t know where you came up with this ?<br />
  A Good journalist would run a correction immediately..</p>
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